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This is very interesting as i hadnt seen it before. Good clear explanation. Lexi is humping her sister Cassie at the moment, It always happens between 4 and 6 weeks before Cassies season and goes on for about 10days to 2 weeks, but very rarely when she is actually in season which i find strange. Cassie just flops onto the floor looking confused, never gets peed off with her, its just an inconvenience to her.
 
Oooh just found this thread....


Poppy is a serial humper but only with her mattress. She has now started positioning her mattress onto the pouffe in the living room so she has a bit more leverage...

We take her mattress off her and put it back in her bed in the dining room and she goes and gets it and drags it back in the living room. we think she needs an audience to perform. Last couple of weeks she has been at it a lot more and I am wondering (after prompting from another post I have posted this evening about her vomitting) if she is about to go into season. She is 6 1/2 months old ish....
 
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She would be within normal bounds to come in at 6/7 months but the vast majority come in rather later than that for the first time, more the 8 - 12 month sort of catagory.... but certainly she has many hormones charging about within her as she ages and probably isn't quite sure whether she is coming or going at the moment ;-)

Most dogs just plain old ENJOY humping 'things' if they start the habit, and so it may increase purely because they are older and are really getting into a habit.

To be honest I would not be cutting her a lot of slack with this, its not harmful as a habit but its probably better to discourage it more firmly by when she drags her mattress to you, take it and put it somewhere she can't get it till she goes to bed. And if she gathers something else do the same. Try and stop her from doing it for a while by removing anything humpable, including cushions from sofas etc if she starts on those instead, and the habit will tend to break fairly quickly.

Di
 
Ooops other then occasionally taking her mattress off her I have just been ignoring it thinking she would grow out of it!

Will sort that out from now though, she has just given her mattress what for and is having a lie down so am removing it from the living room back to her bed!

Sorry Poppy your in-house public humping days are over

Thanks Di
 
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As I say i would probably remove it completely to somewhere she can't get it until bedtime or she will just see it as a wierd type of retrieve game - you put it somewhere, she gets it and humps ;-) he will live without a comfy mattress till this is broken, promise ;-) So everything gets put up on a work surface or upstairs or behind a closed door that she remotely wants to hump and only fished back when absolutely essential ;-) ;-)

Good luck!
Di
 
Humping

Hiya all,
Buddy is 14 months now, and started humping about 6 months old, it started with a neutred 5 year old male, he seems to fit Mr Underdog. I have repeatidly pulled buddy off him, this really seems to have worked , although occasionally hill will still try to hump 5yr old . He will run a mile to get to a bitch (this appears fairly normal, if some what anti social) What is really annoying is , the other day he ran away, after me putting him on the lead, the other neuterd male had been taken away and out of sight, I let Buddy off his lead to play and he darted off back to the dog to lick his genitals, I asked the woman if males usually went for her dog , she said no? His humping does seem to be a bit random, but its the lack of control I have of my dog, that i dont like, I feel that it could be dangerous, especially if there were a road between him and his intended, Iv decided to do more on lead walking with him, the problem with this , is , will he get enough exercise. Please help
 
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Hi, I do completely understand both your position and fustration. I think the way to think about it is almost to stand back from the end result of him charging off and blanking you, IE - the humping - and think more about the 'control' side of things. The recall side of things.

Thats not because the humping part isn't important, its his 'draw', its his 'fun', which always gives him a result be that just attention from the other dog, negative OR positive, OR a genuine sexual or authoritarian kick.... but the real issue behind him scarpering up to dogs to hump or lick them is based, as you sort of have said, in his total blank on your recall or command to stay with you....

I know you don't need telling that its totally obvious to you, i'm sure... but certain behaviours, rather than trying to fight fire with fire, just need preventing, helping the bad habit pass and break. And certainly humping strangers dogs will often get him a sound kick up the arse - possibly actually, or possibly only metaphorically from other owners.

There will not be a magic answer to his humping, and unfortunately some dogs, as they mature get worse rather than better as they get more and more set in their ways. The problem is, unless you have the sort of realtionship with your dog, where you can give them a snarl and they really BELIEVE you that there will be hell to pay if they continue with whatever they are doing, you are losing the battle of trying to stop him. Just yelling, shaking, saying 'no' etc won't help detract him from doing it, as he usually 'wins' for longer than he 'loses' because he runs to the dog and has a lot of 'fun' before you arrive puffing behind him (as we all would - grin).

So in a way this is a control and recall issue. I don't know whether you go to classes, a trainer at all? This needs some real work and won't be easy as you are reschooling a dog that has an ingrained default to blank you when he fancies which is a lot harder than teaching a blank canvas puppy something from scratch.

For a time I would take him out on a longline. LET him fall into the trap of heading towards some dog he sees as a target, and if you can set this up with your friends dog.... but you have ultimate control for once. Stop him in his tracks, and get him in for a serious serious treat, be that a big bit of really good 'food' (not a dry old biscuit or something) or with a squeaky ball etc etc. Continue this day in day out whenever you can. If you walk a more relaxed walk walk somewhere secluded whilst you reschool his recall. Practice between meeting dogs here and there, stopping him in his tracks, recalling him and making him feel the most fantastic dog in the world.... by way of praise, play fighting, treats etc....

It depends how much you want to put in. You can reschool this but its going to not take days but weeks of being persistant and vigilent. Sometimes call him up BEFORE he sees the other dog, sometimes practice stopping him after he has started GOING, but because you are in ultimate control, he can NEVER fail, which is the first way to breaking a habit and teaching him whats right and wrong. Dogs are very black and white.

Welcome to ask more.
Di
 
Many thanks Di
I think your opinion is fantastic and thank you for helping, just a progress report on Buddy.
At 14months old, he certainly is a very well behaved dog, we,v got him getting his towel when he gets home wet, he gets "mums shoes" " Dads shoes" when we get ready for his walk. He never barges out before us, he always walks to heal on his lead, he never begs for food or treats, he sits and waits patiently for his dinner, he never gets on the furniture, he goes to his bed when told to, I could go on. He is such a wonder to us all and he loves cuddles.
I have been keeping him on his lead a lot more at the dog park and this is proving to be successful, when he approaches a dog , "I" allow him to say hello ( quick sniff) then I move him on, I am trying to break the bad habits, it makes more sense that way, his humping really has calmed down, although his new habit is (was) licking, again as treating this like a bad habit , I see it before it happens and pull him away or distract him with his ball, or treat( although he has never been a "food" dog, unusual I know) all this seems to be paying off, to be honest the hardest thing is not knowing why, when you find out that its things they "like" or bad habits, it makes it easier to change it, i was worried that his diet lacked or alike. I do feed him on Skinners dry food so it is fully nutritional, and he is not allowed treats off passers by or other dog walkers, we never give him tit bits either, as I believe this makes them beg.
Thank you for all your help and encouragement
 
I know this is an old post, but have just been redirected to it, as I was wondering why boys hump boys :roll:

I love your explanation of it, and as it makes a lot of sense for some things, I am still confused about my Bono, as I don't know in what category to put him in.

The first time a dog tried to hump him was in Romania (and there are a lot of stray dogs there :( ) and he was about 5 months old. Two more dogs tried to do it while we were there, but because Bono didn't really find his voice back then, he didn't do much, just wanted to get away, never stayed to get humped though.

Now we're back in London and obviously he's older and more vocal. He will not let another dog hump him, he will have a go at them, like 'sod off' sort of thing, no biting or anything aggressive, just telling them he doesn't appreciate what they're doing. But he has never ever tried to hump another male dog. He tried when in Romania to my mum's spayed female, but I told him off and in 2 days has stopped and never done it ever again. But I'm guessing that was more playful rather than sexual cause he was young as well and don't think he knew what he was doing, and especially she was spayed so she wasn't giving out any smell.

So I gotta ask you, which category is he in? I can't tell, sorry. Maybe I'm a bit thick lol, but I don't know where to place him :)
 
George is just over 9 months and becoming very keen on humping the ladies it seems but any dog seems to do. Visited some other family with a female dog, spent the whole time trying to mount her. Then on a walk saying hell to other dogs on lead, after a while trying to clamber aboard, un-sure if it was a boy or a girl.

I'm a little naive when it comes to these things and what best to do.

I'm right in thinking he's not getting any dog preggers unless they are on season, and 9 times out of 10 an on season dog shouldn't be off lead anyway.

So for example we're walking off lead he spots another dog and is straight over before we can catch him, apart from the embarrassment nothing major is going to happen, either the other dog lets him or promptly tells him off?

Anything else we should be aware of, as its obviously our first time of George becoming a randy teenager?

If this becomes constant then perhaps we should think about having his plumbs off, but i dont want to do this till he is at least year old, so its more to do with between now and then really.
 
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Jez.. Ok will come back bit by bit...

" George is just over 9 months and becoming very keen on humping the ladies it seems but any dog seems to do. Visited some other family with a female dog, spent the whole time trying to mount her. Then on a walk saying hell to other dogs on lead, after a while trying to clamber aboard, un-sure if it was a boy or a girl. "


9 months old is a prime time to be starting to develop some pretty heavy dollops of testosterone. Most 9 month olds haven't a clue where they fit in the scheme of things anyway and make some stupid judgement calls and decisions based on adrenaline and the whole 'child like' way of having to make a mistake to learn from it. The whole 'it seemed like a good idea at the time to leap on fierce old Uncle patch but when he tried to remove my ear i realised it wasn't so wise...' ;-)

Honestly? Please don take this as 'normal' that he is hassling other dogs quite so extensively. this is a habit forming behaviour, without much osf a sex link and more of a power trip link, and if he is just smiled at and thought of as 'a wanna be ladies man' and allowed to hassle and hump bitches (or dogs) he will become extremely unpopular and actually hit the wrong dog he could cause them injury OR get a serious kicking himself which could well prompt him behavioural issues. Theres the warning ;-) The serious bit. Please take heed. :)

The fact he tries to mount almost 'anything' dog wise shows this is nothing to do with sex and everything to do with him getting a kick from doing so. At 9 months it won't be a hugely dominant overtone but it will be that it 'feels nice' and he 'likes it'. But as above. This could have a VERY unhappy ending on multiple occasions if it continues. he is being, frankly, a cocky idiot. And needs this stopped in its tracks immediately or this could get very nasty, however 'natural or innocent' it seems right now.



" I'm right in thinking he's not getting any dog preggers unless they are on season, and 9 times out of 10 an on season dog shouldn't be off lead anyway. "


You are right, bitches can only concieve if they are ovulating, which occurs around the middle of them being in season. Bitches in season shouldn't be out at ALL let alone out and on a lead where they can't get away from dogs that hassle them, so put that all from your mind, its honestly not remotely the point that this needs stopping in its tracks, pregnancy. Its the damage it can cause other dogs with him jumping on them if they have any sort of physcial weakness or problem, and, without fail, he is going to hit the wrong dog and get properly attacked very VERY soon if the little cocky fool is consistantly doing it.


" So for example we're walking off lead he spots another dog and is straight over before we can catch him, apart from the embarrassment nothing major is going to happen, either the other dog lets him or promptly tells him off? "


See above. He only needs to jump on a dog with hip or elbow, tendon back neck or joint problems and he will do it some real damage. You will get a lot of abuse and will be seen as irresponsible and out of control and your dog an ' annoying little *******'... not things you want from any angle really :-(

A dog 'letting him' is not a dog expressing that he is fine with it or likes it. Its a dog not strong enough in personality to object. So basically your boy is being an idiot playground bully riding roughshod over dogs not strong enough to stand up for themselves. Not a very attractive personality feature canine, or human ;-)

But he can't HELP it... hes discovered its fun, its allowable, and he CAN. Thats the bugger. Once a dog knows he can without real repercussion from canine or human other than maybe two minutes after hes started you puff up and pull him off, its not really his fault (or yours really) that he is forming this very antisocial habit.



" Anything else we should be aware of, as its obviously our first time of George becoming a randy teenager? "


I've probably proper put your back up with what i've written already - grin. But its not meant to. Its just important to see it as the start of a VERY downward spiral for him if he is starting to view this as consistantly the way to greet other dogs, especially females or weaker dogs who may well have problems he will aggrivate.

I know, if he mounted one of my old dogs I would be pulling him off by the scruff and throwing him in your direction, possibly metaphorically, possibly actually. And it can only upset you and him at this stage where experiences should, to the greater degree be positive for him so he is not learning fears and negatives to take forward into adulthood. he is only a puppy right now, but as big as a full size dog so people will not cut him'puppy slack' remember. Some may hit him. Some may kick him. Some may swear at you. I don't want you to bear that brunt. Either of you.



" If this becomes constant then perhaps we should think about having his plumbs off, but i dont want to do this till he is at least year old, so its more to do with between now and then really."


To be honest i talk of, like you, that I feel 12 - 15 months is the ideal time for dogs without behavioural issues to be castrated. But this is a consistant habit. Done more than once in a blue moon. If, for example, i'd gone round a mates house and they had a bitch there and my dog tried to mount her once, I'd tell him very firmly, no! A second I'd put him on a lead or put him back in the car till we needed to go, or crate him or maybe shut him in another room. She wouldn't be allowed to be hassled even three times let alone several.... SO you can't know this, but that taught him a firm lesson that bitches can be hassled and you find it 'OK' because you did nothing concrete to stop it (although probably verbally told him to lay off her when it got really annoying, but that seriously, means nothing really to a dog...)

So its action time now. Personally I would consider how often it really is? Castration won't BREAK the habit because its not entirely sex linked but now, for a serial humper in the making, would be a GREAT time to try and stop testosoterone spiralling. Its not going to get any better with him becoming a 'man' in the next few months put it like that if its FAIRLY bad now. So me, i'd definately castrate him in the next few weeks. Like maybe this week ;-) ;-)

He also needs reschooling that its NOT acceptable behaviour. If you don't think i'm absolutely horrible I can walk you through some ideas on that but it will take consistancy and a slightly change in your walking routine and some effort on the part of everyone who walks him so if you want me to I will otherwise I won't bore you with it ;-)

Good luck though !

Di
 
Thank you Di.

It's not terrible yet just those couple of times, I think it's mainly because its the first time we've seen him do it. The particular female dog is not a big fan of other dogs anyway never mind an annoying George.

He was never allowed to get into a 'rhythm' promptly dragged off and removed from the same room as the other dog. Again when meeting another dog on a lead he is always excited but this is the first time he tried to inch round the back, again I promptly dragged him off.

So when these situations arise what we've been doing is the correct way of dealing with things?

He never seems particularly fussed when grabbed by his collar told off though. Will dragging him off a dog and marched home really have an impact on him, I know he's not going to tell us but its tricky to see whether its sunk in. Wen told off at home for being naughty and put in his crate we'll get a disapproving huff :lol:

What about on walks, whenever we see another dog on the lead? Is this not counter productive for him meeting and getting used to other dogs? At the same time if he's away from us and not stoppable from 'doing it' if he tries it stead home no walk?

We know friend with a female dog who is quicker than George and wouldn't have him trying it on, good opportunity to educate George of the rights and wrongs?

Thanks again :)
 
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Its probably my misunderstanding but your post to me, made it sound like this is something he is doing almost always when he meets dogs out and about, apologies if i've read that wrongly. If its just a once or twice occasional thing with days and days between, then its not a huge big deal. Not welcome, but not something to get too worried about unless it starts to escalate. But if its every walk, maybe even several times a walk then its more serious.

Di
 
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" He was never allowed to get into a 'rhythm' promptly dragged off and removed from the same room as the other dog. Again when meeting another dog on a lead he is always excited but this is the first time he tried to inch round the back, again I promptly dragged him off. "

Sorry i thought this was a regular thing. I probably misread it. At 9 months old, if this is something that occasionally occurs its not hugely unusual. he is 'trying stuff out' as mentioned in my first reply. Its useful if the first couple of dogs he meets give him a 'bollocking without going OTT' because it tends to immediately think twice in a far more effective way than we can in such a short space of time, but unfortunately usually sods law says that the first few he does it too will be all soppy and submissive (a lovely dog to own, but not helpful in this particular senario from your point of view) and he will learn its a great ego trip to do it.



" So when these situations arise what we've been doing is the correct way of dealing with things? "

Well as a 'reaction' to it happening yes. Immediately apologise to the owner, and pull him off, lead on and walk away, make sure he is distracted as you walk briskly away on something positive, a ball, a treat, something worthwhile, to try and break his mind of the fun he 'was having'.... to try and wipe the experience as much as you can, and also so he doesn't run back the minute you take his lead off.

However this is a bit like a dog who runs up to other dogs offlead consistantly, and you run up, clip him on a lead and take him away. Its ONLY the way to deal with it *happening*. Its not going to do anything whatsoever to cure it or stop it happening again. That takes training IF its a consistant thing. If its not you may wish to let it slide a bit for now and see where he goes in the next few weeks. If it increases something definately needs doing and fast.


" He never seems particularly fussed when grabbed by his collar told off though. Will dragging him off a dog and marched home really have an impact on him, I know he's not going to tell us but its tricky to see whether its sunk in. "

No and its not something I would suggest at all. Dogs live in the 'now' not the 'ten minutes ago... so therefore removing him from doing it, yes absolutely, and verbally discussing AS you do it how much you dislike what he is doing at THAT SECOPND... but do you know what? Once his paws are back on the ground and his lead on, there is NO POINT carrying on anything remotely meant to associate with humping that dog, especially not marching him home like a naughty human child. he doesn't know what its for and absolutely right, it will mean nothing in terms of 'linking actions' and is a waste of time.


" Wen told off at home for being naughty and put in his crate we'll get a disapproving huff "

Defiant little sod ;-) Hes a tough cookie alright. But I'm not a believer in 'time out' for giving them 'thinking about what you've just done' time, they aren't like humans, so chances are the scale of the telling off at the second the bad action occurs is FAR more effective than anything that happens as human style 'repercussion' afterwards. Crating. Shutting elsewhere, unless its just literally to shove him out the way whilst you clear up if hes soiled the house, or torn something up or whatever. For any other reason its probably pretty useless. He will naturally chill out in his crate, so if hes crated as a time out for doing something 'frantic' or adrenaline based then it will literally calm him down, but it won't *teach* him anything that he did *back then* was 'bad'.


" What about on walks, whenever we see another dog on the lead? Is this not counter productive for him meeting and getting used to other dogs? "


Ok, yes. And no. He mustn't become a serial humper. SO if he is running up on other dogs to hump them, then its better he IS prevented from approaching other dogs for the time being unless on a lead himself. By 9 months he is pretty much as socialised as he is going to get, so having to miss a while charging up to other dogs, on or off lead, is not going to do him much harm.


" At the same time if he's away from us and not stoppable from 'doing it' if he tries it stead home no walk? "


No, I'm interested where you got that from, it wasn't my post i don't believe? But maybe I've miswritten something to make you think that. he must stop being allowed or able to hump dogs, but taking him home won't do any good persay.


" We know friend with a female dog who is quicker than George and wouldn't have him trying it on, good opportunity to educate George of the rights and wrongs? "

It depends. Its a bit mean to 'use' some poor girl tyo give your boy a kicking and try and teach him right from wrong, however its totally undenyable that nothing teaches a youngster better than a dog itself seriously scaring him if he tries to do it. Its a thin line though. Its best he doesn't get injured and she doesn't get used because it may make her slight fear aggression, which is what that is, worse for other encounters if she is used as a traing aid even a few times. But, double edged sword time, if she is a fierce old bag and he is THAT stupid at the moment he won't read that before mounting her, AND she is unlikely to actually cause him injury, then its selfish on our part, BUT its worth a try ;-)

As I say I thought this was a real consistant problem hence advising fairly drastic measures like a regimented programme to try and reteach him its unacceptable. Many dogs do it 'now and then', almost all puppies and youngsters at *some point* male and female will try, but more than now and then and a problem is brewing because it tells you several things about the dogs personality in *other areas* which could be rather negative as he grows.

Di
 
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Jez just incase you didn't see this long reply as I posted twice by mistake! :)

Di
 
Really interesting stuff. Thanks Diana. :)

Albie has started to hump other dogs on his walks. He knows the dogs quite well, but he just gets so over excited to the point where his tail and bum wagg that much I think they're going to fall off. He then after about 5 mins of playing jumps on a dogs back and tries to score for England.

He's never done it to a bitch only males. And if I may be blunt, he humps any part of their body, including their face (sorry).

He's nearly 9 months. Does anybody think I should get him castrated? Or is it a bit early?

Thanks

Gregg
 
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Its just excitement Gregg, adrenaline, its not a sexual behaviour at this age in those circumstances... castration won't make a difference either way. I would castrate him, its my belief all pet boys are better off castrated, however I'd give it 3 or 4 more months yet.

Just remove him, distract him and move on when this frenzied humping starts...

Di
 
Sorry can't advise on whether to get him castrated now or wait as don't know enough about pros and cons about castration, only know about spaying! My understanding is that it is better to wait until they are fully mature but someone else more experienced can confirm this.


However I get really cross with male dogs who come up to mine and try to hump them! Poor Ruby seems to always be the target and she doesn't enjoy it! I am quite surprised that so many owners I meet seem to think it is acceptable behaviour and just laugh it off! Yesterday a large German Shepherd tried it on and although the owner called it it just ignored her and carried on. I told the owner that Ruby would tell hers off if it carried on and she really wasn't bothered! In the end Ruby turned her head and snapped at it and that sent it running.

If it had been my dog I would have waded in and attached its lead and walked away apologising for my dogs behaviour, but that's just me!

So I can see that if it becomes a real problem whilst out walking it may be better to redirect his 'enthusiasm' to something else, maybe a toy or ball.

Chloe
 
Cooper started humping his bed and also had a sheepskin rug that he liked to attack and hump. I tried bringing his bed back, but every time I do, he tries to hump it, so I threw it away and he sleeps on a blanket or a couple of towels.

I'm curious about castration, does anyone have further information on this? The vet told me around 6 months time, but I seem to read on here that we should wait?
 
Regarding neutering, we were advised to wait until our dog was physically mature before castrating him.

Regarding humping, our male dog was subject to the advances of a very large female Labrador who took a shine to him. The female was trying to hump the male - excitement?
 
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