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Honey is extremely stiff when getting onto her feet in the evenings. We have had visitors commenting that she looks like she is in pain and assuming she is a very old dog (she's 20 months old).

She's been like this for months and we have had her at the vet to check for all the obvious problems - the vet assures me all is well.

During the day, she runs about wild with Lola quite happily, but whereas Lola is springy of step after a sleep, Honey plods around in a very awkward, ungainly manner. When she stands up, she literally has to pull and drag her hind legs up behind her and does so very slowly and tentatively.

I'm not convinced all is well and I think that the problem is that the vet is seeing her during the day when her movement is looser.

I give her joint supplements and have been keeping her weight down as much as possible. She is running well and is happy and enjoying her walks, but the clumsy, strained way in which she gets onto her feet really worries me :(

I'd be delighted for any advice you could offer me!! :wink:
 

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No real advice I am afraid, but I would recommend trying to get a video of her like this and then show that to your vet so they can see. If you still don't get any satisfactory response then I would request a referral to a specialist. Poor Honey :( Hopefully it is nothing to be worried about but I'd definately want the vet to see it and put my mind at rest.



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Not much help im afraid, I hope someone else will be able too.
The only thing ive noticed with Bear, if he goes in cold water ( river, sea) he is very stiff in the evening, like an old man.
So he doesnt go near water on walks much, which is a shame.
He also has a long cushion bed now, rather than a round one , so he sleeps stretched out now.
 

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No real advice I am afraid, but I would recommend trying to get a video of her like this and then show that to your vet so they can see.
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Good idea! I will take a vid later and I'll post it on here too to illustrate what I mean! Thanks Vicki.
 

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Saska was exactly the same she is three years old, I was really worried about H/D I put her on joint supplements and it has improved tenfold it did take about 3 months before we saw any change although.I did take her too the Vet first to get her checked out.

She has been x rayed recently due to an unconnected problem with her back leg and he checked her hips as the same time which he said were good. Thank goodness. I hope Honey will be ok too. They are worrying to us.
 

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If it were me would be back at the vets as this isn't right for a dog of her age , with the video as Vicki suggested . Try limiting her galloping about to see if this makes a difference.
 

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Oh didnt see this thread when i just this minute posted mine about Carly, she does the same; think i will take her to the vet to check her over, and then try the joint tabs...
 

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Hey Mo, sorry to hear Honey is not too well, I would also ask for a second opinion at your vet and take video along to show what is happening.

Hope your gorgeous girl is OK :)
 

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Rather than joint tabs which are no more than 'Tunes' if you are trying to get ride of a cold to be honest, I would try and concerted 6 months on a mixture of Glucosamine and Chondrotin and MSM tablets, with a possible addition of Green Lipped Mussle tablets and possibly Devils Claw. All excellent supplements avaliable from online health shops, Boots and Holland and Barrett.

You could also fit her for a magnetic bioflow collar which helps bloodflow around the body hugely and is an absolute wonder to most 'stiff arthriticy' dogs at any age.

Obviously if there is a serious joint problem there it will need looking into. But that is always done best later rather than sooner if you can keep excellent quality of life with supplements and 'harmless' things.

I do appreciate operations as regards joint conditions have their place, but not on dogs that are 'just a bit stiff' and so on. So you have nothing to lose by taking the next few months with the above 'extras' as a 'assessment time'.

But on another note do you have wooden floors or carpet? The fashion for wood floors (and god knows I make a living from selling them so can't knock them too much!) has made many a dog stiff who wouldn't be laying on carpet....?

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When we met in the summer, I thought that Honey looked older than her age. Even then I thought she was a little less supple than the other pups. Not knowing that much... I just put it down to her being from show lines... and that bit... I dunno stockier. I hope it isn't anything sinister..... :(
 

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I too would ask to be referred to a specialist - and that definitely doesn't mean there is anything wrong and she needs surgery. But a specialist is much more experienced to advise you on the correct way forward.
A really good tablet for joints is Synaquin, which is what Charlie's specialist advises. It is expensive but should be covered by insurance

Good luck
 

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So sorry to hear this. Have you ever had Honey X-rayed? Lucy unfortunately has HD in her left hip, so on advice, kept her weight down (she's 29.5kg), don't let her wahoo about too much, keep her warm and dry after any long walks or when she's got wet, let her swim and give her joint supplements (currently Kordels Joint Food Powder, but since they've stopped making that, she's now on 'Joint Aid for dogs' which has all the important supplements that Di mentioned). Di also mentioned the Bioflow collar which we got for Lucy...i don't know for sure if all of the above is working for Lucy, but i'm assuming it is because she isn't lame, doesn't show that she's in any pain and is very active....that's good enough for me!

I hope you get to the root of the problem either way, and Honey gets back to her normal self! ((hugs))
 

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Joint Aid for Dogs is SUPERB, I have to say, won some, used it, loved it, bought it for the rest of Rustys life and he thrived on it.
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I posted a while ago about Ebony with the same thing. I couldn't put my finger on what was wrong but she was really stiff and struggling after walks. So we put her on Joint Aid and after about 3-4wks i saw a big difference. She was back to being a bouncy loony!! Te problem started when she was around 8mnths i think. We ran out of Joint Aid a while ago and i didnt have the money to get some more so i decided to wait and see if the problem came back when shes not taking it....shes fine. Im convinced that she damaged herself in some way and because Chondroitin helps in the formation and repair of cartilage it helped to get her back to normal again. Joint Aid also has Collagen which acts as the bodys glue, Curcumin which helps maintains the bodys natural anti-inflammatory actions , It obviously has Glucosamine too which is well known to help, its also got MSM which it says is essential for healthy connective tissue and joint function. All i know is that it worked for Ebony!!
 

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had your dog been older - i would have said possibly arthritis - as my 9 yr old can run like a lunatic and is fine - but at night sometimes gets up and is very lame in front............... i've put him on glucosamine & chrondoitin (sp??) and try not to let him twist and turn at speed if i can.......

if it continues do get your dog checked out

also perhaps restrict to lead walking for a month - as if there is not actually anything physically wrong time is a great healer (specially if it is a muscular/soft tissue problem)
 

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Thanks folks - I really appreciate your suggestions and thoughts. I often wonder if this is the reason her breeder sold her on at 5 months old, :evil: having left her in a kennel with no training whatsoever.

They claimed that originally they were planning to keep and show her but that she didn't fill out enough, but to my mind, she has filled out pretty well and is a pretty girl, worthy of showing.

Her health checks were all perfect, but she is a proper plodder compared to our new addition who bounces like a baby bunny!

I am off out tonight for dinner, but will have a good think about your posts and let you know how we get on. Thanks again!!
 

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Hi Mo

Was having a think about this today, Macy like Honey is pure show lines and from what you say not as mobile as Lola, Jana is the same as Lola.

Anyway, we have stopped taking Macy and Jana out together as we were worried Macy was going to do herself an injury trying to chase and catch Jana, maybe that is what is happening with Honey :? Just a thought as Macy is now happier trying to catch Cori :roll:

Jana will play and loves other dogs so she does not care and Twix just donders along with a wee bounce and boing about once in a while :D

In summary maybe Honey is tiring herself out trying to catch and chase Lola and this could be causing her to be stiff at nights (I guess after there walk :? ) I maybe way off but worth thinking about :)
 

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Thanks Linda - that is possible as their favourite game is 'tig', which inevitably involves Lola springing off into the distance and Honey charging along after her like a bag of spuds!!

However, on the whole her mobility and zest for exercise has improved dramatically since the arrival of Lola. I am certain there is a problem with her rear end - she really moves awkwardly at times. We were much more naive when we bought Honey, although, she did have the necessary checks, low hip scores from both parents and a very strong show pedigree. Short of asking the breeder to let us see her running, I don't know how we could have foretold this issue. :( That said, I doubt it would have changed anything as we fell in love with her as soon as we saw her and would have taken her regardless due to her sweet nature.

I do think the poor thing was totally unmotivated and missed out on early exercise and stimulation, having been left kennelled for so long with no toilet training or any other training. Initially, I put any seeming abnormalities down to delayed development. Now, though, I think there is more to it.

Sorry for the big rant - just a bit anxious about her!! Thanks again for taking the time to give me your thoughts!
 
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