I remember those landrovers with the flaps that folded down at the front just exposing you to the elements! Great on a hot summers day, but leaky and cold all winter! Defenders were and probably still are the best off roader going but Landrover have gone all posh these days!My Landrover had "Climate Control" Phil, The climate controlled what you got. When it rained you got wet and when it was cold you froze. But having sold that my truck, a Mitsubishi L200 is completely different. Absolutely lovely in winter, but as the heater controls are jammed on full heat, a might warm in winter. My car is a 21 year old Volvo 940 and has the luxury of a fully working heater AND electric windows!!!!! So why splash the cash??