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I need advice please. I have a 11 week lab puppy and she only weighs 3 kg!!! Not sure if that is her true age, vet hasn’t said otherwise !! She has had 2 health checks , been wormed and first vaccinations , as where I had her from hadn’t treated her properly . I was told she was 8 weeks when I had her !!!! I feed her burns puppy 60g for her weight . She is always hungry, has really bad worms , gassy tummy at times and doesn’t sleep at night 🤦‍♀️Any advice would be appreciated as I am getting concerned . Thank you
 

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How many times are you feeding her? With such a small pup I would be feeding 4 times a day.

As regards the food, I can only answer through personal experience and to be honest Burns has never agreed with my dogs on the occasions that I've tried it, to the point of them losing weight rather than putting it on. If you want to stick with it up the amount given a little at every feed, rather than go by the chart on the bag.
Personally I would change food to one of the big brands that have the scientific research behind them, Royal Canin, Hills, Pro Plan or Eukanuba and work closely with your vet regards the worms and gassy tummy.

Please keep us updated....And welcome to the forum. :)
 
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Burns is a bit poor in terms of helping with weight gain. Get some puppy milk formula (vets sell it, so do Pets at Home from memory) and make up a mix of puppy porridge using warm milk and soaked kibble. I raw feed my dogs, but wean on to a good quality/value for money food for puppy owners, such as Simpsons Premium. I'd be tempted to give at least 4 meals per day, if not 5, or 4 meals and an extra helping of puppy milk, just to give her a boost, as she is a very small puppy. My pups are generally around 7 or 8 kgs by the time they are 8 weeks old, if not more.
 

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How many times are you feeding her? With such a small pup I would be feeding 4 times a day.

As regards the food, I can only answer through personal experience and to be honest Burns has never agreed with my dogs on the occasions that I've tried it, to the point of them losing weight rather than putting it on. If you want to stick with it up the amount given a little at every feed, rather than go by the chart on the bag.
Personally I would change food to one of the big brands that have the scientific research behind them, Royal Canin, Hills, Pro Plan or Eukanuba and work closely with your vet regards the worms and gassy tummy.

Please keep us updated....And welcome to the forum. :)
Thank you for your reply. All my labs have been on burns and always thrived in it, my vet advised it ! I feed her 3 times daily with treats in between . She is a happy busy little thing . Tbh don’t know much about the background . The vet just informed me that its nothing to worry about as the worms are leaving her body, poor little mite 😞
 

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Burns is a bit poor in terms of helping with weight gain. Get some puppy milk formula (vets sell it, so do Pets at Home from memory) and make up a mix of puppy porridge using warm milk and soaked kibble. I raw feed my dogs, but wean on to a good quality/value for money food for puppy owners, such as Simpsons Premium. I'd be tempted to give at least 4 meals per day, if not 5, or 4 meals and an extra helping of puppy milk, just to give her a boost, as she is a very small puppy. My pups are generally around 7 or 8 kgs by the time they are 8 weeks old, if not more.
Thank you for your reply, the vets seems to think it’s ok 3 meals a day ! As far as burns is concerned I’ve used it with all my labs and they have thrived on it. I think this little puppy has come from a puppy farm , cannot be sure as I bought her from a house that was immaculate , but since then discovered a lot about the people I had her from 😢 including a fake health card 😡She has had 2 health checks by the vet I have had for 15 years and been wormed and started vaccinations again . Maybe I should ask about the puppy milk? She is 11 weeks now and 3kg. I’m sure she is a lot younger , the vet hasn’t said otherwise 🤔
 

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Thank you for your reply, the vets seems to think it’s ok 3 meals a day ! As far as burns is concerned I’ve used it with all my labs and they have thrived on it. I think this little puppy has come from a puppy farm , cannot be sure as I bought her from a house that was immaculate , but since then discovered a lot about the people I had her from 😢 including a fake health card 😡She has had 2 health checks by the vet I have had for 15 years and been wormed and started vaccinations again . Maybe I should ask about the puppy milk? She is 11 weeks now and 3kg. I’m sure she is a lot younger , the vet hasn’t said otherwise 🤔
It's difficult to advise without actually seeing a puppy, but I remember years ago, when I started doing working trials training, quite a few people had their dogs on burns as it was good nutritionally, and also didn't seem to encourage any weight gain, that's why a lot of them used it. So for a puppy that's so small, I'd want to make sure they were the right weight for their frame, and if not, I'd want them to be on a food that encouraged them to keep a good amount of weight on, not too much but I wouldn't want a puppy underweight. Also, your vet is simply wrong, it's not possible for vets to have knowledge about absolutely everything with every different species, and unless they are a canine reproduction specialist they are unlikely to know that pups should be on AT LEAST four meals per day until 12 weeks of age, more if they are struggling to gain weight. Feeding smaller, more frequent meals, gives them a better chance at digesting everything they need from their food, slightly larger meals mean that some food can pass through without being fully digested, so they're not getting as much nutritional value. As they grow, then you reduce down their meals, so approx 16 weeks is when I'd suggest taking them down to three meals (again, if they're struggling, keep them on four) and then at six months of age down to two meals, but plenty of owners I know keep them on three meals or two meals and a mid day snack.

The puppy milk is what I do when I'm weaning pups to give them a boost, and it really does help them. It's entirely up to you if you want to go down that route, if she's so tiny I'd want to make sure she's getting enough nutrients in there, hence the suggestion.

One of my previous litters I had a vet advise me on a particular supplement for my bitch, and the reason I used that particular vet was that they were supposed to be canine reproduction specialists. Not only were they wrong about her needing a supplement, the ones they sold me (before I returned them) were out of date! I learned a long time ago for other reasons not to trust vets necessarily 100%, particularly with anything that isn't a normal every day situation.
 

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Normally I feed 4 meals a day to 12 weeks, 3 to 6 months and two thereafter. Yes, as your vet says, if you are seeing worms then the wormer id doing it's job, and hopefully, now you are not feeding the worms she should start to pick up. I would certainly recommend upping to 4 meals per day, at least for the next 2 or 3 weeks, whatever your vet says. Certainly it will do no harm.
 

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Normally I feed 4 meals a day to 12 weeks, 3 to 6 months and two thereafter. Yes, as your vet says, if you are seeing worms then the wormer id doing it's job, and hopefully, now you are not feeding the worms she should start to pick up. I would certainly recommend upping to 4 meals per day, at least for the next 2 or 3 weeks, whatever your vet says. Certainly it will do no harm.
Thank you, I have upped to 4 times from today for the next few weeks as she is small . Giving her 20g per meal . I will see how she goes on the burns . Will also ask the Vet about supplements . They did say when the worms have gone she will start gaining more weight . She is gaining since I’ve had her , obviously fed cheap food before I had her. I think they had to fight for their food . Appreciate your help 👍
 

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It's difficult to advise without actually seeing a puppy, but I remember years ago, when I started doing working trials training, quite a few people had their dogs on burns as it was good nutritionally, and also didn't seem to encourage any weight gain, that's why a lot of them used it. So for a puppy that's so small, I'd want to make sure they were the right weight for their frame, and if not, I'd want them to be on a food that encouraged them to keep a good amount of weight on, not too much but I wouldn't want a puppy underweight. Also, your vet is simply wrong, it's not possible for vets to have knowledge about absolutely everything with every different species, and unless they are a canine reproduction specialist they are unlikely to know that pups should be on AT LEAST four meals per day until 12 weeks of age, more if they are struggling to gain weight. Feeding smaller, more frequent meals, gives them a better chance at digesting everything they need from their food, slightly larger meals mean that some food can pass through without being fully digested, so they're not getting as much nutritional value. As they grow, then you reduce down their meals, so approx 16 weeks is when I'd suggest taking them down to three meals (again, if they're struggling, keep them on four) and then at six months of age down to two meals, but plenty of owners I know keep them on three meals or two meals and a mid day snack.

The puppy milk is what I do when I'm weaning pups to give them a boost, and it really does help them. It's entirely up to you if you want to go down that route, if she's so tiny I'd want to make sure she's getting enough nutrients in there, hence the suggestion.

One of my previous litters I had a vet advise me on a particular supplement for my bitch, and the reason I used that particular vet was that they were supposed to be canine reproduction specialists. Not only were they wrong about her needing a supplement, the ones they sold me (before I returned them) were out of date! I learned a long time ago for other reasons not to trust vets necessarily 100%, particularly with anything that isn't a normal every day situation.
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It's difficult to advise without actually seeing a puppy, but I remember years ago, when I started doing working trials training, quite a few people had their dogs on burns as it was good nutritionally, and also didn't seem to encourage any weight gain, that's why a lot of them used it. So for a puppy that's so small, I'd want to make sure they were the right weight for their frame, and if not, I'd want them to be on a food that encouraged them to keep a good amount of weight on, not too much but I wouldn't want a puppy underweight. Also, your vet is simply wrong, it's not possible for vets to have knowledge about absolutely everything with every different species, and unless they are a canine reproduction specialist they are unlikely to know that pups should be on AT LEAST four meals per day until 12 weeks of age, more if they are struggling to gain weight. Feeding smaller, more frequent meals, gives them a better chance at digesting everything they need from their food, slightly larger meals mean that some food can pass through without being fully digested, so they're not getting as much nutritional value. As they grow, then you reduce down their meals, so approx 16 weeks is when I'd suggest taking them down to three meals (again, if they're struggling, keep them on four) and then at six months of age down to two meals, but plenty of owners I know keep them on three meals or two meals and a mid day snack.

The puppy milk is what I do when I'm weaning pups to give them a boost, and it really does help them. It's entirely up to you if you want to go down that route, if she's so tiny I'd want to make sure she's getting enough nutrients in there, hence the suggestion.

One of my previous litters I had a vet advise me on a particular supplement for my bitch, and the reason I used that particular vet was that they were supposed to be canine reproduction specialists. Not only were they wrong about her needing a supplement, the ones they sold me (before I returned them) were out of date! I learned a long time ago for other reasons not to trust vets necessarily 100%, particularly with anything that isn't a normal every day situation.
Thanks again. I have upped her food to 4 meals from today and given a little extra . See how she goes over the next few weeks , if I’m not happy I will change to another brand. Won’t change now as I don’t want her tummy to be more upset than it already is . No two puppies are the same , it’s trial and error . I will make sure she has the best start by nurturing her
 

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How many times are you feeding her? With such a small pup I would be feeding 4 times a day.

As regards the food, I can only answer through personal experience and to be honest Burns has never agreed with my dogs on the occasions that I've tried it, to the point of them losing weight rather than putting it on. If you want to stick with it up the amount given a little at every feed, rather than go by the chart on the bag.
Personally I would change food to one of the big brands that have the scientific research behind them, Royal Canin, Hills, Pro Plan or Eukanuba and work closely with your vet regards the worms and gassy tummy.

Please keep us updated....And welcome to the forum. :)
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Normally I feed 4 meals a day to 12 weeks, 3 to 6 months and two thereafter. Yes, as your vet says, if you are seeing worms then the wormer id doing it's job, and hopefully, now you are not feeding the worms she should start to pick up. I would certainly recommend upping to 4 meals per day, at least for the next 2 or 3 weeks, whatever your vet says. Certainly it will do no harm.
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Thank you for your reply, the vets seems to think it’s ok 3 meals a day ! As far as burns is concerned I’ve used it with all my labs and they have thrived on it. I think this little puppy has come from a puppy farm , cannot be sure as I bought her from a house that was immaculate , but since then discovered a lot about the people I had her from 😢 including a fake health card 😡She has had 2 health checks by the vet I have had for 15 years and been wormed and started vaccinations again . Maybe I should ask about the puppy milk? She is 11 weeks now and 3kg. I’m sure she is a lot younger , the vet hasn’t said otherwise 🤔
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I can see you have plenty of good advice about feeding so I would like to comment on the concerns about her background etc.
You appear to have identified some concerns regarding her breeding, age etc. You have a gut feeling about a puppy farm. The immaculate house could be a front for exactly that. Did you do any diligence checks? Is she or her parents KC registered? Do you have their details and see your pup with mum and siblings? With those details further information could be located. You should inform the authorities about your suspicions, it is far better to have a false call with good intent than no call at all! If there is a puppy farm it needs closing down and people prosecuting.
I currently have an 11 weeks old pup. She was the smallest of the litter of 11 and weighed 3kg at 7 weeks. She is twice that now. She was significantly smaller than the other pups. It is difficult to guess an age from a photo but your pup facially looks much younger than my bitch. I am surprised your vet supports 3 meals a day for two reasons, her weight and alleged age, both of which would benefit from at least 4 meals daily. Ultimately they can advise, but she's your pup.
This forum is a fabulous source of support and advice. I'm sure you'll find it invaluable 😊
 

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I can see you have plenty of good advice about feeding so I would like to comment on the concerns about her background etc.
You appear to have identified some concerns regarding her breeding, age etc. You have a gut feeling about a puppy farm. The immaculate house could be a front for exactly that. Did you do any diligence checks? Is she or her parents KC registered? Do you have their details and see your pup with mum and siblings? With those details further information could be located. You should inform the authorities about your suspicions, it is far better to have a false call with good intent than no call at all! If there is a puppy farm it needs closing down and people prosecuting.
I currently have an 11 weeks old pup. She was the smallest of the litter of 11 and weighed 3kg at 7 weeks. She is twice that now. She was significantly smaller than the other pups. It is difficult to guess an age from a photo but your pup facially looks much younger than my bitch. I am surprised your vet supports 3 meals a day for two reasons, her weight and alleged age, both of which would benefit from at least 4 meals daily. Ultimately they can advise, but she's your pup.
This forum is a fabulous source of support and advice. I'm sure you'll find it invaluable 😊
 

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I can see you have plenty of good advice about feeding so I would like to comment on the concerns about her background etc.
You appear to have identified some concerns regarding her breeding, age etc. You have a gut feeling about a puppy farm. The immaculate house could be a front for exactly that. Did you do any diligence checks? Is she or her parents KC registered? Do you have their details and see your pup with mum and siblings? With those details further information could be located. You should inform the authorities about your suspicions, it is far better to have a false call with good intent than no call at all! If there is a puppy farm it needs closing down and people prosecuting.
I currently have an 11 weeks old pup. She was the smallest of the litter of 11 and weighed 3kg at 7 weeks. She is twice that now. She was significantly smaller than the other pups. It is difficult to guess an age from a photo but your pup facially looks much younger than my bitch. I am surprised your vet supports 3 meals a day for two reasons, her weight and alleged age, both of which would benefit from at least 4 meals daily. Ultimately they can advise, but she's your pup.
This forum is a fabulous source of support and advice. I'm sure you'll find it invaluable 😊
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Thank you for replying. I have reported them as i do think they are running a puppy farm!! I never saw the parents and they are not KC registered. also had a false health card !! The siblings were all small, i suspect the mother was a breeding machine riddled with worms ! I hope they get caught, as there is an investigation underway .

I only told my Vet the quantity of food i was giving her, he did say that was fine, but now I give her 4 meals.
I really hope she will be a healthy puppy as she is very happy :)
 

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Thank you for replying. I have reported them as i do think they are running a puppy farm!! I never saw the parents and they are not KC registered. also had a false health card !! The siblings were all small, i suspect the mother was a breeding machine riddled with worms ! I hope they get caught, as there is an investigation underway .

I only told my Vet the quantity of food i was giving her, he did say that was fine, but now I give her 4 meals.
I really hope she will be a healthy puppy as she is very happy :)
Well done for reporting this! You are doing the best for her. There are too many evil profiteers out there who need shutting down. It's great to read that she is a happy puppy too now she's with you. I'm sure you both have many wonderful times together ahead 🐾🥰
 

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Well done for reporting this! You are doing the best for her. There are too many evil profiteers out there who need shutting down. It's great to read that she is a happy puppy too now she's with you. I'm sure you both have many wonderful times together ahead 🐾🥰
I agree , it’s all about the money not the welfare of the puppies 😢. Thank you . Take care 🥰
 
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