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would you feed BARF or KIBBLE?

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We may change onto the millies wolfheart or something similar as I think they sell that at the store where we have been going.

Once he has finished his course / treatment of panacur we are thinking of changing his vet aswell as he is currently with companion care and I think they are too commercialised. There is a good vets (I hear they are good but you may correct me) that is down the road from us called ark veterinary practice. they charge a monthly fee but some of there benefits may suit us.
 

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I do agree with everyone about Vets and Royal Canin.Martha has irritable bowel syndroome.We wanted to feed Raw,but it didn't agree with her.We have tried several different brands which again didn't suit.She is now on Royal Canin ANallergenic.She has perfect poos,coat good and putting on weight.Its very expensive food,but so far it works for her.Good luck Hunter with your dog.
 

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I do agree with everyone about Vets and Royal Canin.Martha has irritable bowel syndroome.We wanted to feed Raw,but it didn't agree with her.We have tried several different brands which again didn't suit.She is now on Royal Canin ANallergenic.She has perfect poos,coat good and putting on weight.Its very expensive food,but so far it works for her.Good luck Hunter with your dog.
Hello Margaret, many thanks for your comment and just to clarify, Hunter is the name of our pup!! We are currently just wanting to get his poos formed and sorted out, let him settle. Then we will be switching to possibly millies as looking at the labels a lot of the "commercial" stuff is actually garbage! I feel you need to approach it in the way that we do in that, would you prefer to eat greasy fatty garbage filled kebabs everyday or would you prefer a good steak with peppercorn sauce!?? grilled tomatoes, mushrooms and salad??!! I know which I would pick!
 

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I feed my 2 labs raw and would recommend it highly, you can know exactly what you're feeding your dog! If you're still thinking of this then feel free to ask questions and I'll try and help.
 

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Hi PhilG, many thanks for your post, we are currently having him on royal canin, once he has finished his course of panacur, a couple of weeks after that we are going to try him on millies wolfheart, this us because it looks so much more nutritious. If he gets on with that we were thinking about once he is beyond 6months or so then mixing a little bit of raw in with one of his meals a day to see how he takes to it. There are many Ford and againsts for all types of feeding but the biggest point I seem to hear/read is that although decendants of wolves and what not, dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years and as treeline progresses people say that the digestive tracts change. Now I am no expert or professional by any means but this seems a valid point. I know that many people feed raw and have no problems but its all down to personal choice isn't it!? I would welcome your views / opinions on this and if I was to start mixing a bit in one meal per day how much you would recommend and what you would recommend!! Many thanks
 

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I have been feeding my boys raw since they were about 4 months old. Switched George originally as he was a fussy pup, but was on James Wellbeloved. Alfie, who we got in France (but is related to George, who is from the UK), was on Proplan. Once that big bag was finished, he was switched.

They are fit as butchers dogs (real brutes) and everyone says how amazingly white their teeth are. They love their meals.

That said, they have gone onto kibble if they go to kennels or are watched by our friends. I would normally prepack raw, but two dogs x 4 meals to prep per day adds up.

As for the switch, I went cold turkey too. However, feed number of meals as appropriate for age, as it seems you intend to do. It is less to do with BARF vs kibble, more on stomach size (which in Labs is generally classified as bottomless pit ;) )

As a guide, I fed Alfie, even as a pup 700 g per day, split between meals. 350g per meal seems to suit my lads. They get a bit more sometimes, sometimes a bit less (even less when OH put the food that was defosting back in the fridge :rolleyes: ) But whilst that seems a lot for a pup, they are growing.

Oh and get a freezer - it will save loads in the long run. But even in France, I find raw cheaper or about the same as decent kibble.

And as said, get his tummy sorted and then move.
 

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but its all down to personal choice isn't it!?
It's exactly this! I feed raw as I know exactly what my dogs are eating, I know it's not been processed, bulked out, added to, etc. It's just personal choice, taking in the relevant information and then you decide. I don't really buy the dogs are wolves thing, as you mention, that was a long time ago and the way they've been domesticated, bred and changed to suite living and working with humans is so far away from a wild wolf! So I do it just to provide my dogs with healthy nutritious food. It's also interesting for them too as they get something different every meal! Not that they care so much there, they're labs and I've never had a fussy eater! :cheesygrin:

My two are now 2.5 years and 8 months, and they both get the same amount, 800g per day, split into two meals. The 2.5 year old has been 29kg for well over a year now, so I know this much maintains his weight based on the exercise he gets too! The youngster has been raw fed since she was about 3 months, I part used the bag of kibble she came with from the breeder and then switched her onto raw. She was intially on about 600g per day split into 3 meals, but that went up as she got a bit bigger and then went down to 2 meals when she was just over 6 months old. It's all about keeping an eye on them and noticing if they need a bit more or a bit less as thye're all different, and that counts for raw or kibble!

If you want to give it a try and mix in with kibble then I'd suggest a few chicken wings as a starter, they're easily available and you can just substitute one of your meals for some wings. Then if your dog and you like the idea the butcher's your friend!

It's not as convenient as kibble, you have to prepare, maybe butcher (chopping an ox heart in your kitchen is a messy business!) and need another freezer as Tim mentioned. But the choice is there, all depends on what you want to feed your dog?
 

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I did look up raw diets when Gemma was puppy, and on principle it does sound a great thing to do. Unfortunately I'm the weak link, I just can't stomach it because I'm not good with offal. Liver & Onions, blurrrrhhh. Steak and Kidney Pie, hold the kidney lol.

I can't even walk into a butchers shop without heaving from the smell of raw flesh and blood! It's a shame really, I'll do almost anything for my girl but just not that!

Just out of curiosity, how easily do you find it to source supplies? Our puppy trainer had 5 dogs of her own on raw and she said it was becoming increasingly difficult to sustain her supplies of bones and off-cuts etc from her local butcher as he was getting cleared out as demand was was increasing.
 

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Just out of curiosity, how easily do you find it to source supplies? Our puppy trainer had 5 dogs of her own on raw and she said it was becoming increasingly difficult to sustain her supplies of bones and off-cuts etc from her local butcher as he was getting cleared out as demand was was increasing.
I think I'm quite lucky in that I get everything my dogs eat from a butcher on our local market, they do seem to stock a good supply maybe because I and others keep going back! I buy all the stuff folk don't normally buy, lamb/chicken necks, lamb/pig/ox/chicken hearts, pig trotter and tails, ox cheek, pig/ox tongue, chicken carcasses and so on, all probably the same stuff that goes into your beef or chicken kibble!

The days where you'd get stuff for free from your butcher are long gone, probably because many don't actually butcher anymore, they get cuts straight in. You can supposedly get stuff very cheaply direct from the abattoir, but there's not one close enough to me to warrant going.

PS - If you don't like the smell of the butchers then maybe raw isn't for you! The smell of fresh green tripe isn't to everyone's taste! :cool:
 

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Firstly, don't do anything until his tum is settled. Then I'd give it a good month or so before you try to switch.

My philosophy is to feed what they'll eat and what keeps them in condition and healthy. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Mine have been on kibble through their entire lives...all types, Pro plan, Royal Canin, Burns. We're currently using ProPlan. They all have sparking white teeth, no extra teeth cleaning chews, just the odd Bonio.

They get raw treats, a carcass, raw chicken, bones maybe once a month. It has no adverse affects other than white pooh! They also get raw veg...carrots but currently courgettes too.

As Tim says, all the stuff you mention, with the exception of the necks, are sold here for human consumption, so they aren't always cheap.
 

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Another raw feeder here😀 For the same reasons I suppose as everyone else, I know exactly what he's eating, sparkly white teeth, soft silky shining coat that looks like black velvet, fit and healthy, so all good. Added bonuses being, no dog breadth, no smelly farts and less pooh!!!

I don't find it difficult at all, we have a caravan in north Devon so from March through to October we're down there for 9 days and home for 5, all through the season (only come home to take grandson to school 🙄 ), we keep a freezer in the awning and just transport his food. Landywoods deliver 4 weekly here so I order enough to last about 3 months and we're all set.
I make up batches of beef, lamb, tripe, organ meat and add a blended mix of veg, fruit, eggs and seeds, he then has chicken carcasses, feet, wings, pig trotters, duck necks and veal ribs, so lots of variety and the constitution of an ox 😀😀.
OH remarked once when we were loading up the car " up and down the van like this, it would be so much easier if you fed dried food then all you'd have to do is open a bag" and yeah I suppose it would but I just cannot bring myself to do it, I just can't 😜😜and after all, I AM just opening a bag !!!!!
 

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As Tim says, all the stuff you mention, with the exception of the necks, are sold here for human consumption, so they aren't always cheap.
It's all sold for human consumption here, other than green tripe and a specific pet mince the butcher makes up!

Thinking about it I wonder if they stock it as there's more European folk in the UK these days? Another reason we should have stayed in the EU, but that's history and very off post! :cheesygrin:
 

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I bet they aren't in your regular supermarket chiller cabinets.

Mmm, as you say, very off topic! Best not go there and it ain't over until the fat lady sings ;-)
 
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Every dog will have a food that suits them however Eukanuba is very poor quality, I wouldn't be recommending it unless I absolutely had to

http://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog-food-reviews/0099/eukanuba-puppy-medium-breed
It may be low quality at some points but no matter how good a dog food is, it still depends on how the dog will react to it. I've tried those dog food which have high ratings on various food advisors but my labs didn't do well on them. In the end, the dog food I've been avoiding is where we ended up.
 

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I source my own raw, it can be cheap that way but it's more difficult, you do have to ask around and find good quality suppliers. That said, I don't think raw food suits every dog going, and as others have said, I'd certainly want to get to the bottom (excuse the pun) of any tummy upsets before switching foods around.
 
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