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Hi All, its been a while since we have needed advice but really need it now :(
Boomer is now 14 months old and a healthy 25KG until about 3 weeks ago (although occasionally sick) when I changed his food from pets at homes light and sensitive to their large breed mix and he gradually started to vomit after each meal until it was all coming straight back up within a few minutes of eating (not regurgitation) poo was also soft and only once a day I put him on boiled chicken and rice after 2 days of constant vomit and he kept that down so got some chappie dry food to try but he was sick again.
We went to the vet who put him on 10 days of antacids only rice chicken and scrambled egg which he really loves but every time I add a little dry food he is sick again, the vet thinks either a parasite or food intolerance ?? he is being given panacure over 3 days for worms and parasites, Vet also said he can only have rice/chicken/egg for 6 weeks so am worried about what to feed him that is going to fill him up, give him all he needs and is affordable.
Boo has lost a little weight and is now 23.5KG and not a happy boy :(
all and any advice appreciated xx
 

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Poor Boomer and poor you.

Minnie had signs of food intolerance quiet young and we found that she couldn't handle large portions, and even now has 4 or 5 meals a day.

She also has to avoid all chicken and rice meals as especially rice makes her worse. She is now well and thriving on dogadore salmon and potato.

Have you tried the tinned Chappie? Despite all that it has in the ingredients it does appear to be a good choice to settle problems. I would also try making the kibble wet, so it is a sludge and that may make it easier to digest.

Anything new we add in Mins diet we don't add anything else new for 2 or 3 weeks and start with very little amounts. Same as you would for a human really.

It is about finding what is okay, what they love and can cope with occasionally and what is not ever going to be okay.

As I said try a small amount of one thing and see how it goes over a period of time.

Good luck

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Thank you Mandy x
Boo does still have 3 meals a day as he rarely emptied his bowl although he cant get enough chicken/rice and egg!!
He is currently enjoying 6 scrambled eggs with 8 table spoons of boiled rice for breakfast 3 scrambled eggs for lunch then 1 large chicken breast with 8 tablespoons of boiled rice for tea
he has a very noisy tummy in the mornings and sometimes brings up a bit of watery sick before breakfast (have been wondering about acid??)
not alot of poo at the mo ?? and hardly drinks any water
I was thinking about tinned chappie so might give it a try next week I have tried wetting the kibble in the past but he just sniffs and leaves it !!
Sharon x
 

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Hi Sharon, sorry you have these worries. Have you thought of trying a moist food to see if he tolerates that better? I know tinned chappie has already been suggested, it's not something I have fed for years, but I have seen positive comments about it.

I feed mine Naturediet, although I've recently started using some tinned Lily's Kitchen too, and I am really impressed with that - the dogs love it.

What time do you give him his last feed? I would try keeping back some of his food, even just a small amount, to give him just before bedtime, however late that is. Mins suffered from what appeared to be the 'hunger sicks' when she was younger, so I started giving her a late-night quantity of food and it stopped that problem. So all my dogs get a little food before bed-time, however late that is. Worth a try?

Hope things settle down soon :flower:
 

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Good suggestion from Angela, Min has a last snack in a kong at bedtime. Easy to use with egg and could just bridge that gap.Just the same amount spread over a longer period.

Whatever you try, don't attempt too many changes too quickly. I know from personal experience how easy it is to rush it, and then have to go back.

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Hi, thank you x
I have been giving him a small amount of chicken at bed time as he has to have an antacid tablet 3 times a day (every 8 hours)
feed times are 7.30am ish -1pm ish - 5pm ish - and bedtime is 10pm ish!!!
I don't normally feed before bed because then he wakes me up between 2-4am for a poo which is no fun although not been too bad this last week with just a little chicken before bed although not doing much poo he has woken me early (6ish) with a very noisy tummy !!x
Sharon x
 

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He is eating a lot of scrambled egg at the moment! I give a scrambled egg or 2 to mine A DAY when they have a bit of soft poop to firm them up. Tucker is a similar weight to Boomer when normal and after an 'eating something I shouldn't' incident. So many eggs and the bland diet will explain the lack of poo - his body is taking out all the good stuff from the food leaving just a bit of waste to get rid off = small poop.

Am I wrong in thinking that this all started when you changed foods?? If he was ok before changing foods (or not as bad) then is the dry food you are adding into his diet the old 'ok' food or the new food which seems to have kicked off the current problems? He isn't a large breed in my eyes at only 25kg at 14months and it seems the switch from 'light and sensitive' to 'large breed' has introduced something new into his diet that he is intolerant to. Have a look at the ingredients and see if there is anything obvious.

Luna with experimentation is intolerant to poultry/chicken based dog food whether wet or dry. She has been eating a salmon based diet since switched to adult food - either Proplan or Skinners - and I have always been happy with her condition. The bringing up bile in the early morning Luna can do sometimes after a busy day involving lots of swimming - a big bonio before bed usually solves along with her usual early breakfast.

Skinners Salmon costs me about £24 a 15kg bag via Amazon Subscribe&Save system. That much lasts about 6 weeks and feeds 2 dogs in that time. About 25p a day I think? Good value! When Tucker had his horrid pooping blood episode the vet said that this was good food for a recovering tummy. Luna's joint specialist has said the same.

I hope that Boomer's tummy settles down soon x
 

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Hi all,
I am thinking that its a dry food thing as well as the change from light and sensitive to full fat, I have not given him any of his old biscuit just got some chappie biscuit to try which has been fine as a couple for treats but when a small amount mixed into his rice and chicken came straight back up :(
Boo is much brighter today but the only time he eats like a lab is with rice/chicken/egg?? he never cleaned his bowl or asked for food he would just pick (even if I picked it up he was not fussed!!) anytime he has a treat of a bit of sausage/ham or roast beef he would get the runs the same with bonio's or dentistix or any kind of hide chewy.
I tried just 2 eggs for his breakfast but he was crying for more so it just crept up to 6 which seems to satisfy him for a good 4 hours.
Boo has never eaten anything he should'nt i.e. socks or wet wipes, he does'nt sit under the table when we eat or try to get into the bin, so we often joke that he cant be a real lab !!!
He is very lean but well muscled and is only 20" to the shoulder, mum and dad were both working gun dogs and not large so I don't think he will get much bigger.
I plan to try some chappie meat from tomorrow for lunch then if he keeps it down gradually build up to 3/4 meals a day, does that sound ok ???
Sharon xx
 

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Yes, I thought it was a lot of egg too. I do give mine scrambled egg if they have an upset tummy sometimes, but generally only for a day or so and they wouldn't get that much egg. I tend to keep their on their usual moist food with some probiotic type stuff.

I wouldn't say to give him a whole meal just before bed, just enough to try to keep the hunger sicks at bay, or at least see if that is what is causing any sickness in the morning. Mine have a small amount of food each night before bed-time and it has never caused them to need to poo during the night, even from a young age :) It just seems to 'tide' them over.

I'd feed him as many smaller meals as you can while he's getting through this, there's no harm in feeding him small, but often :)
 

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I agree with others, I think that 8 is a lot of eggs over a day. They are good for sorting out a dodgy tum but that number every day for 6 weeks !! I think that it is the quantity of eggs he is having which is causing the rumbling tummy and I would also be worried that it is having too much fat. If it was me I would give tinned chappie a go.

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Give the tinned chappie or his old 'light and sensitive' food a go - Tucker responds well to Chappie but Miss 'intolerant of chicken dog food' Luna did not tolerate it. I should add that she is fine with chicken treats and with fresh chicken just not dog food chicken wet or dry. Was he on the old 'light and sensitive' food for a long time?


I am concerned about him throwing up food straight away. Luna used to have problems holding onto food she'd just eaten when she was over-excited within the half-hour following but she never threw it up IMMEDIATELY after. Maybe he is eating it too fast? Are the biscuit pieces smaller/larger? Maybe all the egg is making him constipated and causing him to vomit? Just throwing ideas at you, I'm afraid,... I'd keep 'hassling' the vets for help and advice or seek a second vet opinion I think.
 

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Sorry to hear you have a lad with a dodgy tum. Cassie too has a delicate tummy but hers is more the other end. If she so much as tastes something too rich then she is trotting, rapidly!

Have you tried him on steamed white fish with brown rice. Cass can't have chicken very much, unless it is only boiled chicken. Roast chicken gives her the trots too.

The only dried food that Cass can seem to tolerate is the JWB grain free ones or, at the moment because we are trying to cut her weight down a bit, she is on Burns Weight Control which is quite a bland one.

Cass had a very nasty tummy bug back when she was around 5 months and this kicked off her reaction to many foods. When it flares I just give her white fish and boiled veg. She will have the occasional hard boiled egg, or scrambled egg just as a treat but not all day long for meals.

It is difficult when you have a Lab with a dodgy tum as they are so willing to try everything.
 

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thank you all so much x I am starting chappie in the morning so fingers crossed!!!
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Hello again x
Boo got bored with the chappie the second day he just sniffed it and cried :? so I got some cheap dog meat and he has been happily eating 2 large tins a day over 4 meals he is very happy and full of energy but has a runny bum :(
I was hoping that it would firm up on its own but its been a week now!!!
Sharon x
 

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So if you want to stick with wet food, it would normally need a mixer if some sort as most if the tins can be rich and might be the cause of the runs.

Have u thought about nature diet? Wet food but nice and balanced.
 

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Ok read the whole thread - was he on a wet or dry food to begin with? Which brand/type exactly?? The sensitive pets at home one?? Was that mainly fish and potato?
 

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Dear of him, how fustrating for you as well. Have you soaked his food? Burt caqn only handle James welbeloved turkey and rice, any other flavour and he has upset tum and also any other brand is no good. I fully soak his food for him as well this seems to help him. I hope you can find a good solution xxxx
 

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Hi x
Boomer was on pets at home light and sensitive chicken which he was mostly fine on just occasional sick and runny bum but that could also have been down to picking up bugs from swimming in the river ?? but as Boo is not very big and only 25KG I was concerned that he was not getting enough nutrition also he never cleaned his bowl he would just pick at his food throughout the day so I changed him to the full fat version which he still picked at but gradually the vomiting increased until he was not keeping anything down so on to the chicken/rice and egg which he ate with gusto kept down but hardly any poo which was yellow and runny also had antacids and probiotic paste for a week the panacure wormer over 3 days to clear any parasites.
The next step was to try some dry food mixed with his C/R&E which he immediately sicked up :( so I tried chappie which he kept down but lost interest in after a couple of meals :? he is loving sainsburys basic meat chunks in gravy which comes in a large tin and he is having 2 tins over 4 meals he is also having a bonio mid morning and 1 before bed which he is kepping down with no problems and is very content.
But the runny bum is a worry but i am a little scared to try mixer as I dont want to make him sick again ???
Sharon x
 

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I found the best wet food for a runny tum other than Chappie was good old fashioned Butchers tinned tripe, there are no grains in it.

The other thing to seriously consider and what we had to do was switch to RAW feeding, which is actually extremely easy once you get your head around it.
 

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why is water making Boo sick??

:( Hi all xx here we go again sorry!!
We have tried lots of different variations of food over the last few months which either made Boo vomit or gave a runny bum!!
We have been using Wainwright s hypo-allergenic now for about 8 weeks with perfect poo and minimal vomit there now appears to be a pattern developing to the vomit and i am at a total loss for a way to deal with it ???
Boomer is sick if he drinks water too quickly or too soon after excercise or just too much :? I have to make sure there is minimal water in his bowl and that there is nothing collecting rain in the garden this is poss why dry food seemed to be the culprit, because he would guzzle water after food ??
HELP!! HELP!! HELP!! xxx
 
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