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Some advice please. We've heard mixed reports on dog owners thoughts with regards to residential dog training. Whats bizarre is that there is no grey area - people rave about them or they run them into the ground. Interested to hear your thoughts. Our research shows two primary ones in the UK ;

www.royvon.co.uk
www.dogtraininguk.co.uk

Its like choke chains - whilst we'd never dream of using one - its interesting to note when you mix with dog people - people either advocate their use (within reason) or say its the worst thing you could do!

Very confusing for novices.
 

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Dogs are context based learners, for instance if you teach them to down in the living room then you often need to reteach it for out in the park. But also I believe that its best for YOU to train your dog to instill that you are top dog, enrole your dog in good course where you are shown how to train your dog using positive reinforcement, also over the years your dog can easily forget things theyve been taught and then you need to know how to brush up that behaviour.
Look on Association of pet dog trainers website for advice on finding a course near you.
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I think two main reasons why I am not in favour of them are
Firstly, while they may train the dog, they do not train the owner and therefore does nothing to form the bond between dog and owner. Secondly, I would worry about what methods they use as I am not there to see what they are doing.

A good training class, will not train a dog, it teaches the owner how to train their dog. The training is consolidated at home and then proofed in different locations and against distractions while out. In a class, the instructor will also be watching how the owner interacts /gives commands to their dog and can correct any mixed signals / body language that may confuse the dog.

I think sending away for specialist training is a different matter, although again, not something I would wish to do. My brother sent his Golden away to be trained in gundog work.
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Firstly, I know nothing at all about these two organisations so what I'm saying here is not to be taken as a slur on these people.

As most of you know, I and a working owner and can talk about training from that direction. Most "Trained" dogs have been trained with working gundog in mind. So many shooting people buy a dog very much as a tool to their main interest. This is not to mean that they are cruel to their dogs, or that they don’t think just as much of them as the rest of us. But often, pressure of work and lack of knowledge means that do not have a clue about training or the time to find out.

Many gundog trainers take dogs in for training into working gundogs for their owners. The owners may not know how to do it but do know what's required from the dogs. These trainers are very very good, but the problems they face is the limited time available to train the dog. Remember, the owner is paying the bill and where it matters not to me whether I bring my puppy out this season or next, these trainers are very dependant on results for their future wages. This means that sometimes tactics are needed which I for one would not entertain!

In dog handling, the handler is all important. Because of my experience I can very often take an untrained dog and make it look quite good to its owner. It's all in the timing of the praise and correction. I can then hand it back to its owner and the comment will come back a few minutes later, "Why will she do it for you but not me?" Very simply, the owner needs as much training as the dog!

Another point to look at is that Labradors more than some breeds must be trained in all possible places. I know dogs who do perfect heelwork in the club hall but whose heelwork out on the street is rubbish! The owner works in the hall but relaxes outside so the dog just does not relate what it does in one place with the other. I have something like a dozen different places where I train my dogs and also continue it into every day life. All this (hopefully) means my dogs will work anywhere.

All this means that I would not like a dog of mine trained where I was not around to see what was going on. Add to that the fact that I enjoy the training anyway.

Regards, John
 

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Not quite sure what Scotty and I would do without this forum. You guys are outstanding with your advice - so impartial, reasoned and informative. Thank you very much.

You've confirmed our suspicions so we've shelved the residential training idea and will persevere with our hands on training .... which seems to be working very well! Well she is the cleverest pup in the world which makes it easier ;-) Not bias of course.
 

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My sister sent her Goldie to a "training shcool". It worked fine for a short while but when they got home, because they assumed once trained that was it, they never continually worked on the techniques and now they are desperate to do something once more.

I'd recommend joining a local training club, the route Anna suggested is a good place to start. If your dog is predominantly a pet not a working dog this should be more than adequate.

Find a few in your area, give them a call, find out when they train and go along to watch and chat with the other trainees and trainers!

The club I joined itn the UK literally saved my life. It enabled me to go out, meet new people and have fun with my dog with like minded folk. I've continued by joining a club in France and it is fabulous fun, sometimes hard work but never dull. You and your dog will benefit far more from spending learning time together.

I don't know where you are in the UK but here is the site of the club I used to belong to: www.sddts.f9.co.uk

Good luck and ENJOY! :lol:
 

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I agree with what has been said. Take the dog to a training school it is the owner that needs training. As John says a trainer can do wonders with a dog but hand it back to the owner, and unless commands are followed through by you, there is no magic just hard work and perseverence good luck Meg
 

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residential dog training

my dog has just returned from royvon ( 2 weeks ago ) and whilst the dog seems as happy as ever and has clearly been looked after, the tuition for us was not as promised. He was quite well trained anyway but we were going on holiday and he would need kennelling anyway so it seemed a good alternative ( if somewhat expensive ) but no i would not recommend it
 

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I don't like the idea of it either.. Dexter is doing pretty well with his obedience training (well.. all except scent... but that's another story 8O ), but he won't work for anyone else except me. I know this is perhaps not ideal, but it's only me that walks, feeds, puts up with him it's not too bad. I can't help wondering though, if I'd sent him off to one of those schools - would he only work for the person that trained him there? That'd be a nightmare, and not worth the risk/money in my opinion!!!! Good luck finding a good dog school, you'll find training your dog yourself is lots of fun and very rewarding!!
 

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I - agree with its mainly the owners that need training. (Look at Its Me Or The Dog!!!) At my first lesson last week I found out that it me was who needed to learn how to be in better control of Doobie. He needed to learn from me! We need to be a partnership when training too. Which in one week we are - Doobs looks at me and totally looks at me for guidance.
 

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I always wanted to take Penny to residential training, but I wanted to go too because I'm well aware of the fact that I need trained as much as she does. Couldn't find anywhere that would take both of us so I've persevered at home. She is getting better, but I think that's more a result of her getting a bit older than my training finally sinking in.
 

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seemed like a good opportunity to try it out as we were going on holiday and he would have needed to go into kennels anyway. We thought it would be better if he was occupied and learning rather than just missing us and his long walks. We have already put in lots of effort with his training anyway and he is very well behaved and socialised. they take the dog for three weeks work to a set standard and at the end of it they demonstrate the dogs newly acquired skills and you get upto three hours tuition and are then expected to carry on at home following a set of guidelines. we actually got 45 minutes tuition and left feeling that everything we had taught him upto his stay was rubbish and their way was the only way. fine if he had problems to cure, which he didnt. we feel there are obviously many ways to train and the only right way is the way that gets results and keeps you and the dog happy. Also Royvon say they invite feedback but they only want to hear it if it is positive, any negative comments are brushed aside and they refuse to address them. my recommendation is to put in the effort yourself and remain committed You can always get one to one tuition fairly locally for any specific problems. Usually only costs about £25 per hour. for what we paid including all the travelling we could have had 40 hours one to one tuition.
 

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Friend had her 2 German Shepherds trained at one of these schools, they did a fantastic job. One problem, they trained them separately even though they are brother and sister from the same litter and went at the same time. Hence if you take them out on their own they are fabulous, when they are together they are a complete nightmare and just egg each other on. She now bring them to our training sessions and is slowly but surely getting them to behave. The school said that they couldn't manage them together but that they had done their job as they were pefectly behaved on their own, total waste of money in her opinion.
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in which case i would dispute that they have done their job. the whole point is for you to have total control in any given situation. ok you have to practise it all when you get home, but you would anyway. but if they cant get the dogs to behave when together and they live together and they knew this how do they think it has helped. its a mystery to me.
 
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