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I'm an old girl, 78 years of age in West Yorkshire. We have had, over 40 plus years, 4 Yellow Labradors, 3 dogs and 1 bitch. I currently have a database of 32,000 individual names. I would love to help those of you who are trying to find the lineage of your dogs, free of charge. All you need to do is let me know the name of your Labrador and if I've any information on it I'll provide it for you.

We recently lost our remaining Labrador, Magnus at just over 12 years of age on 9th June 2020. We lost his mate, Pops on 4th April 2018, both a little unexpectedly. We are a little long in the tooth to start over, but we love the breed and all their things which are not now being used are going to benefit a particular Labrador Rescue outfit.

I have Kennel Club Stud Books for the year 1938, and 1948 to 1980 inclusive, plus 2003, 2004 and 200 and a load of other books with printed pedigrees.

I hope you don't mind what I have written ... I'm not that familiar with Forums of any type, so if I've barked up the wrong tree, please let me know.

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Hello Pauline, what do you keep your database on? I use Breedmate Explorer. I started when I brought my first Labrador in 1972. :)
 

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Out of interest, do you have the sire and dam of Halsinger Bartonley Black Ace, Sylvia's Shadow and Amber Queen? I'm guessing these dogs would have been born around 1950. give or take a little.
 

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Ooooh, completely off topic, but I can't be that far away from you, I live up on the tops of the hills just over the border towards the Woodhead Pass.

John's told me about my girls before, but if you want their names just to give you something to look at, here are my current three:

Chapelrose Lala Tau at Tarimoor
Tarimoor Dark Opal
Tarimoor Hidden Dreams
 

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Hi, John, good to hear from you. Yes, I have Breedmate and it's Pedigree Explorer (that's all I can remember at the present time). I was involved with Paul Holmes who lives in Bradford, purely on a research basis, and he was the convenor at that time for World Pedigrees Labrador Retriever site. He asked if I could be allowed to have the database as a means of getting on with the work - I do type at 100 wpm and that meant that information was entered quickly and as far as I know, accurately. They agreed with the proviso that I shouldn't publish anything myself and those conditions I have always followed.

However Paul's interest or whatever waned and he and I parted company simply because my health was problematic and we no longer showed our Labradors after late 2010 and they both became, as they always were, first and foremost, our household companions.

I see that others have asked me for information so today, after we've collected the casket with Magnus's ashes in from Wakefield, I will see what I can find. In the meantime I will respond saying that I will look into their enquiry.

It's good that some are interested; it may not be for everyone, but I find it an absorbing and, at the present time, comforting to have at least a connection with the Labrador breed. We cannot have another dog of any sort ... and we would only want Labrador, so that's that. All their doggie things are going to NW Labrador Rescue in due course to benefit those who have fallen on hard times.

Thank you John - I love that you have a version of Breedmate and as and when I can get to my Labrador books etc I know that my Breedmate file is in an A4 ring binder with the start-up disc, so I'll let you have further info if that's necessary.

Time to wake Michael up now, greet the day which is very different now we don't have a gorgeous big Labrador with a fantastic temperament to greet us.

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I'll have a look later today, but it's time to wake my other half, get some jobs done, collect the ashes and casket of our beloved Magnus, and then I'' respond.

Thank you for responding.

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Ooooh, completely off topic, but I can't be that far away from you, I live up on the tops of the hills just over the border towards the Woodhead Pass.

John's told me about my girls before, but if you want their names just to give you something to look at, here are my current three:

Chapelrose Lala Tau at Tarimoor
Tarimoor Dark Opal
Tarimoor Hidden Dreams
 

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Thank you for that. I know the Woodhead (or did) it's quite some time since I travelled on that very well known road. I will look at my database and any books I have and see if I can find them. If not thank you for adding some to my database. I will respond later as I'm busy this morning collecting, amongst other things, the ashes and casket of my beloeved Yellow Magnus who died 3 weeks ago today. He was 12, just, and a gorgeous natured boy. We miss him.

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Hi Pauline, Glenys at North West Labrador Rescue is a very old friend of mine. Please give her my love when you see her.

I remember the World Pedigree Labrador Retriever site very well. It was my "go to" site if I could not find a particular dog's pedigree! My typing is a one fingered one word every half hour I'm afraid!! :)
 

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Your posts have made me smile. I like to look at the labrador lines of my girls. Mostly to see if there's a connection between them down the line.
We have had labs, all yellow bitches since 1988 and only this week have brought our new puppy home. Thistle is our 6th lab and she's keeping us on our toes. I forgot how hard work being a new mummy is 😊
A new dog was not on the cards but sadly we suddenly lost Millie, aged 9 on VE day and our other two dogs were not adapting too well. Arya is almost 11 and Bala is a Heinz rescue we brought home from a beach in Mauritius 4 years ago. Not a lab but she adopted us on the beach while on holiday and when the locals were rounding up strays to kill, she had to come home with us. Bala and Millie were besties and watching her grieve has broken my heart. Sadly I have been unable to adopt another rescue lab due to Covid closures but fate and research located our new girl Thistle.
I understand the pain from losing our much loved ones.
We live in the market town of Penistone just off the Woodhead so also not far away too.
I see you have some names to research already so I'll not overwhelm you with mine. Please prompt me if you would like them.
I'm pretty sure John has previously looked at Millie and Amber for me, but our current two labs, Arya and now Thistle are unresearched :) ;)
 

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Hi Pauline, Glenys at North West Labrador Rescue is a very old friend of mine. Please give her my love when you see her.

I remember the World Pedigree Labrador Retriever site very well. It was my "go to" site if I could not find a particular dog's pedigree! My typing is a one fingered one word every half hour I'm afraid!! :)
 

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Hi John ... sadly our membership of NW Labrador Rescue was curtailed about 4 years ago, because we were no longer, from 2010, able to show our two. I am not acquainted with many of the current members, and the only ones I could say I knew, but not very well were Norma Bilsland, now deceased, Shaun Williamson from whom we bought Magnus (Sharouns Ganymede at Stelmarin) in 2008 and the lady with 'Lancastria' as her Kennel Name. I know the name Glenys but wouldn't know the lady by sight. We are thinking, as and when shows are ever allowed to resume, of visiting them and once again enjoying seeing this beautiful breed, which I have adored as far back as I can remember, and trying to reconnect.

It was such a shame that World Pedigree Labrador Retriever Site wasn't kept up to scratch ... I could, in those early days, probably have done a much better job. However, that wasn't my role and I was incredibly excited to have any part in it at all. Then after it fell apart I became involved with Jack Vanderwyck in Holland (sadly deceased). What a guy, and we enjoyed quite a great Pedigree search relationship. Sadly when he passed suddenly, nobody knew his passwords, not even me, and so as far as I know, all that valuable work he did, particularly on the breeding coefficients, was lost. I can't now remember what the website was called, but it was very good.

You will see that being able to type at 100 words per minute, quite accurately (and I was a typesetter and proof reader in one of my roles when working) allows me the opportunity to say quite a bit in a short time. As my late mother used to say 'When Pauline's dead, she won't shut up long enough for them to get the coffin lid on'!! Hope that makes you smile.

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Your posts have made me smile. I like to look at the labrador lines of my girls. Mostly to see if there's a connection between them down the line.
We have had labs, all yellow bitches since 1988 and only this week have brought our new puppy home. Thistle is our 6th lab and she's keeping us on our toes. I forgot how hard work being a new mummy is 😊
A new dog was not on the cards but sadly we suddenly lost Millie, aged 9 on VE day and our other two dogs were not adapting too well. Arya is almost 11 and Bala is a Heinz rescue we brought home from a beach in Mauritius 4 years ago. Not a lab but she adopted us on the beach while on holiday and when the locals were rounding up strays to kill, she had to come home with us. Bala and Millie were besties and watching her grieve has broken my heart. Sadly I have been unable to adopt another rescue lab due to Covid closures but fate and research located our new girl Thistle.
I understand the pain from losing our much loved ones.
We live in the market town of Penistone just off the Woodhead so also not far away too.
I see you have some names to research already so I'll not overwhelm you with mine. Please prompt me if you would like them.
I'm pretty sure John has previously looked at Millie and Amber for me, but our current two labs, Arya and now Thistle are unresearched :) ;)
 

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Hello Baamlabs

Pleased to have made you smile ... I always knew I had been put on this earth for a purpose, and if smiling is in my gift, then I'm happy. I would need their actual registered names with the Kennel Club in order to trace if that's possible. You are so lucky to have another new pup to socialise, to play with, to love and adore ... I remember it well when we got Poppy and Magnus within 5 days of each other, one from Bolton and one from County Durham. Yes, it's a bit of hard work but it will pay off in the long run.

Oh dear, I know, having just lost Magnus and today picked up his casket and remains along with the lead and collar, how devastating it is and with two dogs who were obviously missing their companion, Millie, perhaps the new pup will provide a new lease of life for Arya and Bala (what unusual and lovely names - is Arya from Game of Thrones?). If you let me have the long name of Thistle I'll see what I can find, and if her Sire and Dam are available and I can get them linked up, I could produce a 5 generation pedigree for you, absolutely free of charge.

Thank you for your welcome, and for your interest. Do you think a complete section on just Pedigree enquiries might be a good thing? It would save trawling through all the messages if that was, ultimately, the route someone was asking about. I'm very new to all this so guidance is the watchword.

Kind regards

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Oh, thank you for that John ... it's going to take my aged brain some time to get to grips with it all. I can well understand that wanting to know about lineage is not the first 'port of call' but obviously some are interested in that as part of another question. I shall have to be vigilant, other than as I said earlier, identifying that I am most willing to help on that specific. I've just completed a 5 generation pedigree for Tarimoor Dark Opal born 22nd April 2012. I looked on the www and someone, maybe Dark Opal's owner, was showing that the sire and dam of Marlene Dietrich were Artdale Stand By Me and Primrose Pat. I don't have that I have Sire as Glosmere Stan the Man and Dam Talula Tadpole. The other two names are, in my opinion, appropriate sire and dam of Sutton Star.

I also by doing this pedigree, found that I had an anomaly, in that I had the sire of Mallorn's Mr Snowbusiness at Boothgates totally different from what I now know to be correct, Loresho Ozzie.

Ah, well the joys of pedigree research find me out, yet again.

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Hello Tarimoor

I've just generated a 5 generation pedigree for Tarimoor Dark Opal which I didn't have in my database, although because of the lineage coming from Balrion, Rocheby, Cambremer, Poolstead, Oakhouse, Kupros, Hawksmoor, Mardas and others, I was able to get the full 5 gen. It looks good. I have one query though. I looked a some previous Labrador Forum entries and for Marlene Dietrich I believe I read that the sire was Artdale Stand By Me and the dam was Primrose Pat. My database doesn't confirm those, as they are the parents of Sutton Star. Marlene Dietrich's sire was Glosmere Stan the Man and the dam was Talula Tadpole. Have I misread something, or is there something awry and which is correct, please.

Kind regards

Pauline
 
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