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Hi,

Could do with some advise on how to stop Buddy (7mths) running to other dogs even if they are quite far away. He is brilliant with heel, sit, stay and come when there is no-one about but as soon as he catches sight of a possible play mate he is off! He will not run off with them but it usually takes a few calls and hes back and we can get back to having our walk together. I just can't get him to stay with me, I have been firm with the "leave" command which I was advised at classes, Buddy knows this but chooses to ignore! :x I have tried distracting him....by trying to make what I am doing more exciting but this just ends up with me making a fool of myself and him just going anyway!!! :roll:

Any suggestions?????Cheers Corbin :p
 

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In the good bad old days of dog training it used to be a maxim that unless the deterant was strong enough to overcome the pleasure that a dog was getting from whatever activity it was occupied with then he would continue doing it. Now. in these enlightened days of positive reinforcement, its finding a reward that the dog finds more appealing then whatever its doing

Sounds simple in theory, but if anyone can tell me what a young Lab finds more irresistable then a good romp with another dog then I am ready to order up a few kilos of it!!! :lol:

I can only hope it gets better as they get older. Training is a long process, some behaviours take longer to get right then others. Patience and consistancy will win in the end. At least thats what i keep telling myself! :wink:

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Sounds simple in theory, but if anyone can tell me what a young Lab finds more irresistable then a good romp with another dog then I am ready to order up a few kilos of it!!!
lol :D NigelB is quite right
The answer: don't let them discover what fun it is in the first place :D
One of the reasons I'm not keen on free for all play and the free for all puppy parties is it does just that, teaches your pup that playing with other dogs is much more fun that being with you, however much liver cake (or whatever) you have. Also, it's natural that they should find their own species far more interesting than us. After all, we don't speak 'dog' and they have to constantly work out what we want of them. Playing and socialising is important, but it should always be controlled.
Problem with that is that hindsight is always a wonderful thing. The first step with training is to make sure they understand what the command is, the second is compulsion - making sure it is obeyed every time. Only issue a command when you know he is likely to obey, otherwise you are training him to ignore the command. First thing I would do would be to have him on a long trailing line. There's some info on these links.
http://www.labradorforums.co.uk/ftopict-642.html
http://www.labradorforums.co.uk/ftopict-231.html
HTH :)

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but this just ends up with me making a fool of myself and him just going anyway!!!
I remember a gundog trainer (weims) recounting stories of his dogs expoits over the years sometimes in a competition, sometimes on a shoot. He used to say it didn't matter how much you knew, or how experienced you were, there would always be the day when your dog would manage to make you look a fool :D - so don't worry - it happens to us all :D
 

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Forgot to say that the more controlled play (ie let them play, but on your terms - you decide when they can and when to stop), the less of a novelty it is to your dog too.
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Hi, we used to have terrible trouble with our dog Charlie running off to say hello to other dogs and other people which was getting to be very worrying - but as soon as he became obsessed with playing ball he does not even look at other dogs/humans!!

We give Charlie his ball as we start our walk with him and he drops it once we get to the field and he knows he will be let off his lead - he plays retrieving games and hide and seek with the ball with us all the time until we have had our walk and put him back on the lead, then he carries it all the way home! :D I think that the whole population of the country could walk past us with all their dogs and he wouldnt care so long as we still threw him his ball!!!! :D

We have always, since Charlie was 12 weeks old socialised him with other dogs - we go to puppy romps every saturday morning where he has an hour of play - rather than being detrimental to his training we feel that it has made him a far nicer dog, because although he used to go over to say hello to other dogs, he always played nicely and if he received a growl from the other dog he knew that they didnt want to play and come back to us. So, I would have no hesitation in taking our next dog - when we get one - to socialise.
 

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Thank you for your tips much appreciated as always. :D We went to dog training classes last night and I did express my concerns to the trainer and she said the same as you, its consistancy and to go back to basics take a long leash and start again reinforcing his recall, gradually introducing him to distractions. :p

Another point she did make that might work; is take a squeaky toy keep it in my pocket and anticipate his actions and before hes thought "I'm off" give a quick squeak to get his attention and then recall. I tried this today on our cold morning walk and it did work, mind you we did only see two walkers with doggies!

I will just keep going he is very good at all the other commands, I can see from the other postings that this is going to be the hardest! He just thinks that every one is as soppy as he is.......when I know they're not always!!! :razz:
Thanks Corbin :p :D :!:
 

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CharlieBrewer said:
We have always, since Charlie was 12 weeks old socialised him with other dogs - we go to puppy romps every saturday morning where he has an hour of play .
Hi there

The puppy romp sounds interesting! Is that something organised by local people/friends?

We have not yet let Smudge off his lead with others around - I dread to think what he would do really! The only time we have is at training - and I have to jump around like a mad woman making myself seem interesting to him - otherwise he just bounds off to the others!

All the best,
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We tried the squeaker for our little choccie lab Archie (6 months) and most of the time it works....

we also went to training classes for the first time last night and talked generally about things including recall and the teacher really emphasised the use of food in situtatons such as this. She recommended having certain foods for walkies and training. So we are going to keep his biscuits and markies etc for use in the home and garden and then maybe chopped sausage, chicken and cheese for example, for when we go out. Not sure if it will work but we are going to give it a go!
 

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The puppy romp sounds interesting! Is that something organised by local people/friends?
Hi, the puppy romps were organised by our training school, Scallywags which is local to us down here although if you have a look of their website www.scallywagsdogs.com I think that they have a few other branches over the country=.

Basically the romps are held on a Saturday morning and there are normally about 30 puppies of all ages there, including some older dogs and they just play basically - owners are not allowed to call their dogs at all, or break up any fights that may occur - the dogs have to sort it out for themselves!!

I definately think that Charlie has benefited from them - he is a lovely sociable dog who knows how to play nicely, but also knows how to leave well alone if another dog does not want to play - also because at the end of the hour they come back to their owner once we have called them - he knows that playtime ends when we want it too rather than when he has had enough....

I would defiantely recommend them to anyone they have been invaluable in Charlies training...... :D
 

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Lucky you, they look good, and scallywags has a good reputation. When you say they include older dogs, are they some of the instructor's dogs? I would guess they are steady, reliable and well socialised older dogs, and their presence will help keep things getting out of hand, and they will be helping teach the pups to have social skills and be polite. I wish there were more places like these around the country. Are you going to training classes with them too?
 
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