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Hi all,

I have been told this morning that Parvo Virus is in the area :( I don't know much other than it's highly infectious and deadly. I don't walk Lilly in the area that it's been reported but none the less I thought I'd ask.

Lilly is nearly 7 months old and has had all her vaccinations, is she still at risk of contracting Parvo? My worry is that someone could easily walk through the affected area to the area I walk Lilly and help the virus spread. I have no intention of wrapping Lilly up in cotton wool but having never owned a dog before, I'm not so knowledgable on these things.

I regularly disinfect the floors at home with OudorFresh professional disinfectant that claims to kill Parvo virus. I'm just not sure if there is anything else I can do to help protect Lilly from the virus.

Advice is greatly appreciated.
 

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There are periodically scares and rumours flying about, but she is perfectly fine and chances are its false reporting. Don't worry at all....

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Someone said that their two vaccinated dogs died of Parvo last week, although I can't find any solid proof that Parvo is around. Hopefully it's just a scare. Can't be too safe with this stuff, I'd never forgive myself if something happened with Lilly and I didn't bother asking.

Thanks for the reassurance Di!
 

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I don't want to scaremonger and it is only in a very few cases, but I had a conversation at my vets yesterday about vaccinations in particular but we ended up talking about parvo.

I have been told many times that if you vaccinate pups at too young an age when they are still covered by the bitches immunity the vaccinations do not acually "take". Therefore none of my pups are vaccinated until 9 weeks and the second at 12 weeks. The vets are noticing an increase in pups that are vaccinated early, ie before 9 weeks, that are going on to contact Parvo at around 6 months.

As I say not wishing to scaremonger and the conversation was purely because as Assured Breeders the Kennel Club seem to be strongly recommending (soon to be must be) vaccinating pups before they go to their new homes at 8 weeks.
 

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I rescued two puppies from a small shelter in Texas many years ago whilst visiting my mother. I brought them to her house and was due to drive back to Arkansas a couple of days later. Within half an hour of being at home with the puppies I knew they were sick and took them straight to the vets. They deteriorated quickly. Both were confirmed as parvo. and hooked up to a drip. Sadly one died but the second went on to fight it and lived until he was 15. There were four other dogs at my mothers house and all of them were absolutely fine. I have no in depth knowledge of the vaccines so I would let the others discuss that but I also wouldn't be at all nervous if my dogs came into contact with the virus now. If they were infirm or very young I would be concerned but not with my two innoculated dogs.
 

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Thanks for all the replies, Lilly had her vaccinations with the breeder at I think it was 8&11 weeks old. I was concerned as there are a lot if people out there that like to scaremounger so I thought I would ask here as I know that the advice given would be told as it is rather than un knowledgeable people scaring owners.
 

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As Jill said, in the event that the natural immunity inherited from the dam has not died away by the time of the vaccinations then there is a possibility that the vaccination has not taken. This is the reason for the recommendation that all dogs are re vaccinated at a year old.

But it's rare for this to happen so it's not something I ever give any thought to. I'm a bit of a fatalist over these things, believing what will be will be. Think of it from the other angle. If you wait and vaccinate later then you get a period between the natural immunity dying down and the vaccination taking when a pup is wide open to infection.

Life is always a risk, accept it and enjoy your pup content in the knowledge that you have done the best you can and now things are in the hands of a higher power. :)

Regards, John
 

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I know there has been some parvovirus cases around. I think last I heard it was down as far as North Shropshire from, I think, around Manchester.
I don't have any experience myself but I do know that Guide Dogs have given all their pups up to at least 6 months old, a third dose of vaccine, because of this particular parvovirus scare. This may be because they start their vaccination program quite early and possibly have more chance of not being covered by the two doses??
 

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I live in the South Wales Valleys but to be honest we have a massive stray dog population and people generally don't understand how important it is to get the dogs vaccinated around here so there are a lot of un vaccinated dogs >.<
 
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JohnW said:
Life is always a risk, accept it and enjoy your pup content in the knowledge that you have done the best you can
I was going to say much the same.

Parvo is always doing the rounds, so is always a risk. Like most things, it seems to be more dangerous for very young, old or frail dogs though.

I don't really know what to think about the vaccine, as I know of two dogs who died of Parvo within weeks of being vaccinated against it (and they weren't pups). Could it be they were already incubating it and the vaccine added to the viral burden? Who knows? So I just carry on as normal and what will be, will be.
 
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This may be because they start their vaccination program quite early and possibly have more chance of not being covered by the two doses??
They start vaccinating at 6 weeks old, so I'd guess there is a good chance the first vaccines don't "take" properly.
 

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I don't really know what to think about the vaccine, as I know of two dogs who died of Parvo within weeks of being vaccinated against it (and they weren't pups). Could it be they were already incubating it
Parvo mutated into a new form not that long ago Jules, so it could have been before the latest vaccine was released. All these things tend to mutate with time, so vaccines are continually being tweaked to cope with the changing threat. Incidentally, the Parvo vaccine, given after a dog has contracted Parvo, but before it has developed too far, is actually supposed to improve the chances of survival. (This was in a podcast by Dr Jean Dodds which I saw about a week ago.

They start vaccinating at 6 weeks old, so I'd guess there is a good chance the first vaccines don't "take" properly.
Guide Dogs stated long ago that they believed the risk of poorly socialised pups was greater than the risks to health. So this policy is always likely to backfire from time to time. Unfortunate,but it does not negate the policy.

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JohnW said:
Incidentally, the Parvo vaccine, given after a dog has contracted Parvo, but before it has developed too far, is actually supposed to improve the chances of survival. (This was in a podcast by Dr Jean Dodds which I saw about a week ago.
Ooo that's interesting, I hadn't heard that. I was just guessing at what might have caused dogs who were recently boostered against Parvo, to then succumbing to the disease. But obviously I was barking up the wrong tree :wink:

They start vaccinating at 6 weeks old, so I'd guess there is a good chance the first vaccines don't "take" properly.
Guide Dogs stated long ago that they believed the risk of poorly socialised pups was greater than the risks to health. So this policy is always likely to backfire from time to time. Unfortunate,but it does not negate the policy.
I don't disagree with their policy, in fact I wish vets would vaccinate pet dogs from 6 weeks old and take that tiny risk of them catching something, rather than not giving the final vaccines until 12 weeks and then telling owners they have to wait another 2 weeks after that before taking the pup out. There are far too many under socialised dogs out there and I'm sure this is a direct result of them being stuck at home until after that vital early learning period is over.
 

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I wish vets would vaccinate pet dogs from 6 weeks old and take that tiny risk of them catching something, rather than not giving the final vaccines until 12 weeks
Arr, but thats the other side. She's saying that pups should be at least 12 weeks old and preferably even older before the first jab. So socialising would really suffer if that happened. But we both know what would happen, vets would be adding a "Pre-vac" vaccination in at 7 weeks old to cover the ABS rules, and make a another "nice little earner" out of dog owners.

But all in all, the Jean Dodds podcast was very interesting. (Again it was her who brought up the "New strain" of parvo.)

Regards, John
 

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Jill... Seriously? The ABS is soon to insist we vaccinate our pups before they leave?? INSANE!!! Oh lord I hope this bit of craziness dies a death :-(

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From what I was told when I had my Assured Breeder Visit I believe it is going to be compulsory that we vaccinate, microchip and vet check before the pups leave. At the moment it is strongly recommended.

I have issues with all three of those so after a rather heated discussion I decided when it comes in I'm out :wink: . A step too far as far as I'm concerned. There are good arguments against all three, plus I hate being dictated too :) . I like to research, listen to all the arguments for and against and make my own decisions.
 

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Jill.... I 100% totally and completely agree with every word and shall also be voting on those crazy rulings with my feet. What a shame! I've been such an advocate of the ABS.... I'm choked to bits they are now moving the guidelines to making it unworkable for many!

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Completely agree with you Jill, it is a step too far. And this for a relatively large breed like a Labrador. Just think about chipping a small breed line a Yorkie before it leaves at 8 week old. The chip would almost be larger than the pup!! Crazy!

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My friend is raising a guide dog pup and she has had two vaccinations then a booster at 16 weeks.
Both my GDBA pups had their first vaccines at 6 weeks old, then they had to have the second one at 12 weeks old, but you had to take them out at 7 weeks to socialise them. Things might have changed slightly since then, as that was 5 years ago. Maybe they do vaccs in 3 parts now (at 6, 10-12 and 16 weeks), like a few of our local vets used to do (at 8, 12 and 16 weeks). I would imagine they still want the pups out and about at 7 weeks old though, as socialising them is paramount.

From what I was told when I had my Assured Breeder Visit I believe it is going to be compulsory that we vaccinate, microchip and vet check before the pups leave.
So much like the GCCF (cat version of the KC), meaning they won't go to their new homes until they are around 13 weeks old :? . Well unless all the breeders are seriously going to get a lot of socialisation in, I can't see how that's going to work. We'll end up with thousands and thousands of undersocialised pedigree dogs. Just what we need :roll: .

And as a Microchipper, I wouldn't be happy chipping small breed pups at 8 weeks old either. It's too risky in my opinion.
 
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