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As some may know our lovely Judy got diagnosed with ED about 6 or 7 years back.
This board was amazing, especially Luna Tuck, and she's still doing brilliant at 12 years old - avoided an op and clearly has arthritis but loving life.

Cooper joined us almost four years ago as a puppy.
He's had a bad couple of weeks - two weeks ago he was vomiting lots of blood, trip to emergency vet inconclusive. During his recovery he randomly started limping on his front legs which we thought was really odd as no walking. He threw up yellow bile middle of last week but seemed fine and vets said no panic.

Today he is extremely lame and seems to be both front legs.
Seems it's when he first gets up and then after about a dozen steps he's okay.
He's got callouses on his shoulders where he lays down.

I'm now beside myself with worry that he's got double ED..... keeping an eye on him and slow pace for next few days but I fear the worst.
What to do.... dig it out Coops... love ya little fella! :cry:
 

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I'm so sorry to read about Cooper being poorly, let's hope it's just a glitch and because he's not been well in himself xx
 

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Fingers crossed for him. It could well be nothing so try not to worry. (I know thats a futile thing to say because we always worry about them!!)
 

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How is Cooper? xx
Still not 100% -- he improved greatly yesterday and this morning we thought he'd be okay for a lead walk.
Unfortunately we had to cut that short as he started getting a bit ploddy 15 minutes into it.
We are going to take it VERY easy and see where we are on Monday morning, if still limping I think it'll be a job for the vets.
Stressing me out these last few weeks the little swine!!

Thanks for asking, much appreciated
 

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So 7 days on and here we are......

Coops seemed absolutely fine last couple of days.
Been building him up after a week on lead - was up to about 10 to 15 minutes off lead. He had one or two mad chases and bum tuck's and all seemed good.
Today we had hydro booked for the afternoon so very short walk this morning and onto the pool for 3.15pm.
He loved it - full on swimming for about 35 to 40 mins and we had told therapist our fears and she agreed all looked good.

Home he came - laid down for about an hour - wouldn't you know it..... when he gets up his first few steps on front legs very ploddy and a limp on the left. It seems to be where his paw hinges with the leg and maybe not the elbow as feared.

He's in bed now and I'm crossing everything that when we wake up for the morning walk he's fine but....
 

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There are so many places where they can have joint problems, but the main focus always seems to be on hips and elbows. Sounds like the pastern you're referring too, similar to our wrist, I wonder if he's twisted it or something? Hope he's ok in the morning xx
 

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My 5 month old pup limps intermittently on a front leg especially after playing with other dogs off lead. He’s ok when out walking or running about playing but in the evening he hobbles when he gets up from his bed. We went to the vet on Monday and she suspects elbow dysplasia but I think that is just an assumption because of the breed. He’s on short lead walks for a week then we’ll take him back and he may have an X-ray if the problem persists. Both parents have an elbow score of 0 so hoping it’s nothing too serious.
 

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Could be a simple sprain, could be Panosteitis (Sometimes called "Growing pains") could of course be ED as you fear.

Panosteitis is characterised by a limp, often moving from one limb to another.

Elbow dysplasia is not easy to diagnose and can take the form of several different defects, and even scoring is not 100% reliable. When elbow scoring started the elbow was evaluated using 4 ex-rays per elbow, from the side straight, from the side folded, from the front straight and from the front folded. So to score both elbows required 8 ex-rays. Now imagine doing hips for scoring at the same time, another ex-ray, and if an ex-ray was not clear then it would need to be taken again. This could easily result in 14 of 15 ex-rays being taken! Not good for the dog and VERY expensive!! So the BVA compromised and skipped the ex-rays from the front, only taking the side straight and folded. This is better for the dog, and catches most, (but not all) Elbow Dysplasia. So some creeps through the net. But not only that, the mode of inheritance is not clear. What we do know is that ED can and occasionally does strike in pups from parents tested clear. Could that be a result of the change in the number of ex-rays? Or could it be that the mode of inheritance is not a simple recessive. (Certainly some very clever people thing this may well be the case.)
 

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I've just realised this post is in the wrong part of the forum - apologies as nothing to do with diet or nutriton.

Yesterday our worst fears about our lovely little Cooper were all but confirmed by the vet.
I have always suspected he was a dog with some pretty bad joint issues due to bouts of lameness and after a quite bad flare up on Monday this week from his back hips we had to book to see the vet. He'd been charging around like a good 'un Sunday morning, loving it as he always does, fine rest of the day.
Looked quite stiff on Monday morning walk but then, later in day, his first few steps whenever getting up were very difficult for him.

The vet has confirmed she thinks he only has about 50% range of movement in both hips with the right being the worst. Front left leg also seems to have an issue.

My

World

Fell

Apart.............

We are back for X-rays next week but we know what they will confirm. Just so devastating and compounds the position with Big Sis Judy being 12 and a half now and noticably losing her strength in rear quarters.
Myself and the wife both agree that Coops simply couldn't take an operation, he hasn't got the charecter so I really don't know what the future holds.
My tears shed.... by the bucket load.

Desperately wanted to start looking for another pup soon but this has been a body blow and I just cannot see how that would be fair on Cooper plus I don't know if I can take more stress and worry.

Love you Coops....... :cry:
 

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So sorry to read this, life sometimes kicks you when you're down and in the most awful way.

There is a lot you can do to manage poor joints, obviously hydrotherapy and keeping weight down, but there are also lot of supplements. I've started Zasa on them as she'll be 9 soon and although no signs of problems as such, it's good to get it into their system. Her mum is on a double dose each day and I'll probably do similar with Rhuna when she turns ten (hopefully) this summer. If you remember Indie, she had cruciate problems for a lot of her life and managed to plod along until 14 1/2, so there is always hope xx
 

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Sorry to read this, it’s a shame Sue no longer posts here, one of her girls had terrible hips but with diet, medication and supplements, lived a long and happy life.
 

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Sorry to read this, it’s a shame Sue no longer posts here, one of her girls had terrible hips but with diet, medication and supplements, lived a long and happy life.
Was that Luna-Tuck?
If so she was a life saver for me years ago when Judy got her ED diagnosis.
I was a novice and had no idea what was going on, what was in store or what to do.
Thankfully Jude is now 12 and a bit and has a very, very, VERY happy life and continues to do so.
The spin off also that Coops has been looked after similar way with supplements, weight kept trim, hydro etc. The negative to that is I now feel we have nowhere to go and it's a real concern that to be honest is making me ill.

One thing is sure - we will do our absolute best for our boy X

Thank you for your responses
 

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No, SueW who had Hally and Clover (now several more) , Luna’s mum is/was Laura. Sue was involved with the set up of Labrador health website. Welcome to Labrador Health
 

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We are looking deeper into homeopathy and likely to consult a specialist vet.
Anyone able to recommend anyone West London or surrounding areas?

Also I am going to try a bit of laser treatment using a Photio Vetcare light therapy course - anyone any views on that?
 

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As to holistic vets, there is Vicky Payne at Eastborne. Vicky is an experienced working gundog person who I've known for a good number of years. OK, she's spaniels, but I dont hold that against her. The Practice | [email protected] There is another I've heard of not that far from me, but I cant remember the name. I'll make a few enquiries and get back to you.
 

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OK, the one I was trying to think of was David Day, but he died. So I've messaged another friend who is a vet nurse, to see if she knows anybody.
 
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