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Hi we have been wanting another lab for about 6 months, It was relativly easy when we found Bailey but now i feel they are too expensive and things seem different. here is an example Bailey was £ 550 he was vet checked and had injections inc but now all i can find is £600 absolute minimum with no vet check and no injections..

Was Bailey standard or am i expecting too much to want a pup to have had inj and vet checked ?

Thanks Sarah and Bailey (my chappie)

God bless Ben !!!
 

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Interesting question. Vet checks and vaccinations often depend on whether a vet will call to your home or not as a breeder. There is NO WAY in this world if you have a 'no home visit policy' practice you can get a litter easily to a surgery of sick animals, nor would you ideally want to.

So that can be one factor. Also for me, sending a puppy home with the first jab done means the owners will not take it to the vet to register and have the head to tail check done by THEIR vet for about a fortnight. By then if something crops up at that 'fortnight in' check, its too late. The damage is done. The family are deeply in love with the puppy and there is no way it will come back to the breeder as it should if a health problem arose at that point.

So as a breeder I charge more than £600 and no vet check is done before they leave unless for some reason there appears to be a need for one. BUT different areas of the country have different pricing structures, we see this frequently crop up, and so £650 - £700 is common in the South for a quality puppy. So £600 for me, is not a bad price when you average it over 13 or 14 years of love and affection, less than £50 a year!

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I know a lot of breeders don't do the injection unless the pup is expected to be with them till the second injection because there are different 'brands' of vaccine and if your vet doesn't use the same as your breeders vet then you have to start again anyway. I don't really see what value a vet check adds if you are confident in the breeder that you have chosen. Yes prices have gone up, but then so have costs such as heating and food so I can see why.
 
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I think the prices vary from area to area Sarah, with them generally being cheaper in the north (although there are exceptions).

I wouldn't be looking for a pup to have had it's jabs, as it will be at least 10 weeks old by the time I could collect it and I like getting them home as young as poss, so I can start socialising them.

Vet checks are "nice" but not what I would call an essential either, so it wouldn't bother me either way. After all if the pup was ill or not thriving, then I would hope any decent breeder would take it to the vet.....but why take a healthy pup, if not for their own peace of mind? And lets face it....once you take a pup into a waiting room that has previously had sick dogs in it, they could pick up a bug there. I'm pretty damned sure that was where Una picked up Kennel Cough from :roll: .

So to me the price you have been quoted sounds about right. I mean I paid £550 for Mojo 5 years ago, with no Jabs and no vet check, so if you factor in inflation........... :wink:
 

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Very true Nicky! Some of the brands need the second jab a fortnight later, some a month later. Some need three shots of the same brand two weeks apart. Some brands 'read' each other just fine, but some don't and sods law the breeder would use one that didn't! ;-)

I also know of cheap breeders who say the pups are vet checked but send home wormy poor looking mites which no vet would of passed. So saving money on purchase isn't always saving money in the long run.

I'm not saying finding a breeder who has genuinely taken all their pups to a practice for a full check, and had the first jab done, (or had a vet who will happily call out to do this - something many many won't) and charges less than those who don't, isn't a great find. Its just it wouldn't be common.

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Very true Nicky! Some of the brands need the second jab a fortnight later, some a month later. Some need three shots of the same brand two weeks apart. Some brands 'read' each other just fine, but some don't and sods law the breeder would use one that didn't! ;-)

I also know of cheap breeders who say the pups are vet checked but send home wormy poor looking mites which no vet would of passed. So saving money on purchase isn't always saving money in the long run.

I'm not saying finding a breeder who has genuinely taken all their pups to a practice for a full check, and had the first jab done, (or had a vet who will happily call out to do this - something many many won't) and charges less than those who don't, isn't a great find. Its just it wouldn't be common.

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Di that what it mite happend to me they said it being healf check but they mite not . They give me the pup when and we took it home on Chrismas day my old Lucy was verry ill and we had to tack her to the vet and they keep her in and and since then to too fits and she was £250 .
 

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Also another thought, I have seen adverts for pups where the breeder is obviously trying to 'hide' the fact that the sire and dam haven't had their healthchecks done by saying that the pups come 'vet checked'. I wonder how many puppy buyers know the difference between the parents having the recommended checks and the puppies being 'vet checked'.

I'm by no means saying that all breeders offering 'vet checked' pups are doing this, but I have seen adverts where this is obviously the case.
 

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Dudley came from health checked parents and he had a vet check, first injection and was micro chipped before he came home.
The breeder gave me all the info and when I rang my own vet about his 2nd jab I told them what he'd had so they could get the same in for me before the next one, but it was the same anyway.

Charlie came home at just under 6 weeks with nothing :roll: :roll: :roll:
 

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I would have hoped that the breeder would have wanted the vet to check the pups out before they let them go anyway. I wouldn't necessarily hold much stock in what the vet said, as I would want my own vet to give the pup the once over when I got it home, but would like to hear the breeder say that the pups and the bitch have been seen since whelping? Maybe shows my ignorance though! :)

As far as vaccinations are concerned..... probably better to get your own vet to do it. I was offered with Hudson, but my vet said they possibley could use a different brand of vaccine and we'd have to start all over again anyway.

As far as the cost of the pup is concerned, to me its almost immaterial. To me what is important is that its a happy healthy well bred pup. If I like the breeder and the set up and feel that the pups are of a good quality, I'm happy to pay. Not to say I'd be paying thousands of pounds though! ;)
 

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Our Jess was from a litter within the family. We got "mates rates" but were advertised at £600 but we saw litters from £450-£700.

Jess didn't come vet checked herself. We did want her checked before we picked her up, as we knew within 24 hours of getting her home, that we'd be far too in love with her to send her back if something was wrong. But, unfortunately, the other litter's Mum became poorly at the end of her pregnancy due to the number she was having and they lost mum & 3 pups (of 14!), so it didn't happen due to the demands of having to feed 11 hungry pups every hour! But we got her booked in as soon as she was home so she could get her 1st jab done and all was fine! Perhaps I shouldn't have worried so much!

However, the reason we (I!) wanted a vet check was that my parents picked a lovely bitch from a litter of border collies - saw her - looked lovely and healthy, but she was vet checked by her breeder before they collected her and a heart murmur was picked up which the vet could not say whether it would/wouldn't cause problems or whether she'd grow out of it. Hence why I was a little wary. But IMHO, if you got a pup home and something was picked up on your vet check, any decent breeder wouldn't hesitate on having it back if you were not happy.

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Milly's pups went for £600 with first jab and vet check. Personally we had the vet check done for our own piece of mind. Had the vet found something wrong, they would not have gone. They were all fine.

As part of the brief we handed over, the contract stated that new owners had to register with their chosen vet within 7 days, and should anything be found they had the option to return the pup.

I suppose the procedure of handing over puppies varies from breeder to breeder but we did what we thought was best.

I think £600 is a very fair price, I also think £700 is! We worked it out that we were paid 28p an hour for raising the puppies, and its very hard work!
 

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I don't have my pups Vet checked, I can't see the point unless there is a problem. Like others have said I don't want them within a hundred miles of a vets waiting room if there is no reason.

I also can't see why, as a purchaser, you would want to have the bitch checked over, you can see her when you go to look at the litter.

Again like several others, in my Contract of Sale, I stipulate that the pup should be examined by the purchasers vet, and in the event of any problems being discovered, the pup can be returned to us.

£600 is in my view a fair price, there are regional variations though. In the world of working gundogs, you won't touch a FTCH/FTCH bred Labrador pup for much less than £800, and I know of some that have sold for quite a bit more.

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It wsn;t one of my concerns when looking for my pup as within 48 hrs of having him home he was at the vets for check up. I was offered the choice of Alfie's first jab being done while with the breeder or me having it done by my own vet. My own vet did his jabs.

£400 - £600 is the norm around me for the price of a decent pup from health tested parents.
 

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Lottie was £500,from health tested parents,had both jabs (because I couldn't have time off work to collect her until she was 11 weeks),was vet checked and microchipped (which I paid for)
Her breeder has recently had another litter and they are the same price but not vaccinated.
I would have paid a lot more though and my husband still has no idea how much she cost as I paid a bit each week when I went to visit!!
Like Milly's Dad said,we had a piece written in the contract to say we had to register and have our own vet check within 7 days.

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agree with what others have said. i'd be more concerned with parents health checks - hips, eyes etc.
Neither of mine came 'vet checked'. My own vet did that within a few days of them being home when they went in for their first jabs.

good luck in your search
 

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Hi thanks it's not the price im bothered about i just don't know a reputable breeder and when i got Bailey i didn't realise but he had entropian and the breeder has continued to breed with the same results but bailey is all sorted now. I just want to find a pup where the breeder is doing everything in the best interest of the pup and not doing it just for money or other reasons. I just want to be sure.

Thanks Sarah and Bailey
 

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sarah111 said:
Hi thanks it's not the price im bothered about i just don't know a reputable breeder and when i got Bailey i didn't realise but he had entropian and the breeder has continued to breed with the same results but bailey is all sorted now. I just want to find a pup where the breeder is doing everything in the best interest of the pup and not doing it just for money or other reasons. I just want to be sure.

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You need to do your research, if possible contact people who have purchased from the breeder you are looking at and speak to them. It is a mine field but there are some very, very good breeders around, you just need to find them.

We have only bred once with Milly and we did everything by the book and a lot more on top, I am not saying we were perfect but we did everything as well as we could. Even so, someone on here once inferred they wouldn't touch our pups with a barge pole, which was quite upsetting.

My advice is research the breeder before you see their pups as once you set eyes on the little ones, it will be hard to convince yourselves to find anything wrong as you will be desperate to have a puppy.

Dont be worried about contacting people and asking them questions, if they get snotty, move onto another breeder.
 

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Sarah, I don't know if it has been suggested to you already, but if you contact your local branch of our breed club, they have a puppy register, and all puppies on there will come from health-checked parents, and they will not be from people who are breeding "just for money".

Alternately, depending on if you're looking for a working-lines or a show-lines pup, you could also put a post up asking for breeder recommendations in your area - for sure there will be a good breeder on here who will know someone who knows someone (if you see what I mean).
 

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Hi Thanks the breeder i am interested in has her advertisement on the kennel club website and she seems to know what she is talking about (if you know what i mean ) i might give her a ring and see how it goes.

IF anyone knows of any good breeders in the Cheshire area it will be much appreciated.

Thanks Sarah and Bailey
 

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Hi Sarah

Cheshire is only next door to Lancashire. I have been looking on the Drakehead website where they display a list of breeders that have puppies available from the stud dogs there. Obviously it depends on what type of dog you are looking for etc. I know that personally I'm just itching to get my hands on a pup out of either Viper or Indianna. We lost our Border Collie not long back and I don't want to rush into buying a pup, as I'm biding my time to make sure that it's not just a Knee Jerk reaction. - wow at 50 years of age, I feel all grown up admitting that (I'm usually very spontaneous and act before I think) :lol: I may even wait until next spring, just to make sure I get it as right as I possibly can. Thank god I stumbled across this site :) There are some great breeders on here who will point you in the best directions - good luck x

Karen & Sasha
 
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