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Got Jake's 5 generation pedigree today, so just wondered if anybody was related or if anybody knew much about these lines :) Seems to be a bit of red on the Dam's side, not so much on the sire's side though. A lot of "Pechasi" on the dam's side, is that a kennel??


Sire's Side

Sire:
Kenmilltri Columbus

Grandparents:
Clovelly Cavalier
Solo Melody

Great Grandparents:
Admiral AM at Thurbajen
Copper Christmas Cracker
Sharpe's Soldier Boy
Sparbrook White

Great Great Grandparents:
Hazelbeach Hoorah Henry of Llanstinan
Brenhine's Beauty
Monowai Kendal of Birchams
Chocolate Muffin
Lynquest Tusan Dawn
Lynquest Dancing Dee
Keness Huntsman
Ernevale Tulip

Great Great Great Grandparents:
Linjor Fireflint
Sandylands moire of hazelbeach
Flindersia Spice of life at Tyton
Lady Kahlua
Lawnwoods Corona
Monowai Candy Choc Drop
Comet of Koolikon
Duchess Gemma
Clayford Ploughman at Denaldear
Martay Indian Summer at Lynquest
Carromer wild about harry
Lynquests kenine tara
Downfarm Dice
Slingsby Gertrude
FT CH IR FT CH Drumnamoe Shot
Ernevale Joddy

Dam's Side

Dam:
Pechasi Misty of Amarchday

Grandparents:
Pechasi Castaway
Pechasi Reveller

Great Grandparents:
FT CH Talsbrook rhum of Boltonabbey
Pechasi Teal
FT CH Styperson Grouse
Pechasi Juliet

Great Great Grandparents:
Bridgestone Charlie
Styperson Swallow
FT CH Flashmount Socrates
Jesday Flycatcher
FT CH Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead (IKC)
Skellorn Rosemary
FT CH Scolopax Quail of GunstockFT
Pechasi Fern

Great Great Great Grandparents:
FT CH Leadburn Caper of Pocklea
Balmanno Swallow
FT CH Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead (IKC)
Styperson russet of garagill
Flashmount Danny
Zephyr Wisker of Flashmount
FT CH Dargdaffin Dynamo
High Teal
Ballyellery Adder
IR FT CH Killerisk Hero
FT CH Haretor Mark of Drakeshead
Haulwen Gypsy
FT CH Swinbrook Twig
Scolopax Midnight Lady
FT CH Carnochway Daniel
Holly at Pechasi
 

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'IF' Charlie's papers are genuine then Jake is related to Charlie.
His grandfather is Admiral Am at Thurbajen and poss sire is Clovelly Cavalier
 

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If? 8O How come you doubt the authenticity of Charlie's paperwork?

It'll be nice if he is related :) I think the closest relations i've seen otherwise are from gt. gt. gt. grandparents on sire's side or gt. gt. grandparents on dam's side...
 

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Charlie isn't registered (which we knew about when we got him but knew no better :roll: )
I asked what papers she had and she gave me a handwriiten pedigree which said parents were
Admiral Am at Thurbajen and Copper Christmas Cracker
which if genuine we assume were Charlie's Mum's parents or poss Grandparents because of CCC's age.
So we don't know if Clovelly Cavalier is Charlie's Dad or not but I believe he is/ was local to where we got Charlie from
 

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Ohhh I see, it would be strange for them to register some progeny and not others wouldn't it? :?

I know what you mean about knowing no better! When we bought Jake it was quite a quick decision and whilst we asked lots of questions and did some general homework, we didn't do much labrador specific research so didn't know much about health testing etc. I was told that jake's parents were health tested but never got copies of certificates and because I didn't know what I was looking for I don't even know if I saw genuine certificates of the results and can only remember that one of the parents had a 6 in the score... :oops:
 

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Your Jake is about 55% working, 45% show. The bitch side solid work, as is Ernevale Tulip and the dogs behind her.

Yes, Pechasi is a kennel affix belonging to Peter Sipling in north Lincolnshire. :)

Regards, John
 

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Thanks John :D You're just a big fountain of information :lol:

I couldn't really find out much about the dogs from dad's side of the family. How do I find out which ones have been shown etc?
 

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Well known show affix's in the dog side of the pedigree are, in no particular order:- Llanstinan, Birchams, Lynquest, Linjor, Sandylands, Lawnwoods and Carromer. On the same side Ernevale Tulip and behind are all working lines.

Regards, John
 

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Thanks :D Last question... lol... does that mean its a pretty good pedigree or is it quite common to have that much FTCH and show stock in there? :oops:

I didn't see Jake's pedigree before we ordered it from kennel club so it just made me curious :p
 

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Ruby

FT CH Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead (IKC) - Great Grandfather (d)

Ballyellery Adder - Great Great Grandfather (d) & Great Great Great Grandfather (s)

Killerisk hero - Great Great Grandmother (d)

FT CH Haretor Mark of Drakeshead - Great Great Great Grandmother (d & s)

Henry

Swinbrook Twig - Great Great Grandfather (s) & Great Great Great Grandfather (d)

FT CH Haretor Mark of Drakeshead - Great Great Great Grandfather (d)
 

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Last question... lol... does that mean its a pretty good pedigree or is it quite common to have that much FTCH and show stock in there?
The question I always feel I want to ask in this kind of breeding is "Why?" That's not trying to be funny, but a genuine interest. By and large a Field Trials person would not move outside FT stock and a die in the wool show person would stick to show bred dogs. Then there are people like Di on here who are trying to breed dual purpose dogs, show people looking to have a bit of fun at a shoot during the winter and working people trying to improve the looks. So there can be many good reasons for this breeding. But of course, there is always the breeding to the dog next door for no reason other than it was convenient. I do like to see that thought has gone into any mating. :)

My Anna was a show bitch put to a working dog. The owner of the dam showed but her son worked the dogs around their farm and wanted to improve the working ability. I was looking for a good looking worker and Anna's been all that and more. Now at 12 years old she still doesn't look bad to me.

Regards, John

 

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My Charlie is related via Dargdaffin Dynamo and the Drakeshead lines. He too is part working and part showlines. :D

John, Anna looks fantastic, if I may say so. :D From that photo I certainly would not say that she looks 12 years old.
 

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Ohhh I see, it would be strange for them to register some progeny and not others wouldn't it? :?
Sadly no - this is more common by some breeders than you might thing :(

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I was told that jake's parents were health tested but never got copies of certificates and because I didn't know what I was looking for I don't even know if I saw genuine certificates of the results and can only remember that one of the parents had a 6 in the score... :oops:
Those would most likely be the grand-parents scores
 

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Last question... lol... does that mean its a pretty good pedigree or is it quite common to have that much FTCH and show stock in there?
The question I always feel I want to ask in this kind of breeding is "Why?" That's not trying to be funny, but a genuine interest. By and large a Field Trials person would not move outside FT stock and a die in the wool show person would stick to show bred dogs. Then there are people like Di on here who are trying to breed dual purpose dogs, show people looking to have a bit of fun at a shoot during the winter and working people trying to improve the looks. So there can be many good reasons for this breeding. But of course, there is always the breeding to the dog next door for no reason other than it was convenient. I do like to see that thought has gone into any mating. :)

My Anna was a show bitch put to a working dog. The owner of the dam showed but her son worked the dogs around their farm and wanted to improve the working ability. I was looking for a good looking worker and Anna's been all that and more. Now at 12 years old she still doesn't look bad to me.

Regards, John

Anna does look fantastic, especially for the age! :)

If i'm completely honest, I can't see Jake ever being more than a pet and at this time we don't have plans to show him or work him - although I do have an interest in agility. However, I do find looking at his history to be very interesting and if i'm honest I was wondering the same thing.

Because I saw a fair amount of red on one side, and virtually none on the other, it did make me wonder whether it was just a convenience mating or whether some more thought had gone into it. I thought your answer about it having a lot of show might have meant that more thought did go into it after all, but your latest response just confused me more :lol: (In a good way!)

Thanks :)
 

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I came across this post whilst looking up my dogs pechasi background. My dog has exact same sire/dam from breeder in Clipston, so presuming that's where you had yours from too:) I have Cambridgeshire Kate aka Purdey who is 3years old this month and has turned out to be an amazing gundog and pet.
 

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Got Jake's 5 generation pedigree today, so just wondered if anybody was related or if anybody knew much about these lines :) Seems to be a bit of red on the Dam's side, not so much on the sire's side though. A lot of "Pechasi" on the dam's side, is that a kennel??


Sire's Side

Sire:
Kenmilltri Columbus

Grandparents:
Clovelly Cavalier
Solo Melody

Great Grandparents:
Admiral AM at Thurbajen
Copper Christmas Cracker
Sharpe's Soldier Boy
Sparbrook White

Great Great Grandparents:
Hazelbeach Hoorah Henry of Llanstinan
Brenhine's Beauty
Monowai Kendal of Birchams
Chocolate Muffin
Lynquest Tusan Dawn
Lynquest Dancing Dee
Keness Huntsman
Ernevale Tulip

Great Great Great Grandparents:
Linjor Fireflint
Sandylands moire of hazelbeach
Flindersia Spice of life at Tyton
Lady Kahlua
Lawnwoods Corona
Monowai Candy Choc Drop
Comet of Koolikon
Duchess Gemma
Clayford Ploughman at Denaldear
Martay Indian Summer at Lynquest
Carromer wild about harry
Lynquests kenine tara
Downfarm Dice
Slingsby Gertrude
FT CH IR FT CH Drumnamoe Shot
Ernevale Joddy

Dam's Side

Dam:
Pechasi Misty of Amarchday

Grandparents:
Pechasi Castaway
Pechasi Reveller

Great Grandparents:
FT CH Talsbrook rhum of Boltonabbey
Pechasi Teal
FT CH Styperson Grouse
Pechasi Juliet

Great Great Grandparents:
Bridgestone Charlie
Styperson Swallow
FT CH Flashmount Socrates
Jesday Flycatcher
FT CH Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead (IKC)
Skellorn Rosemary
FT CH Scolopax Quail of GunstockFT
Pechasi Fern

Great Great Great Grandparents:
FT CH Leadburn Caper of Pocklea
Balmanno Swallow
FT CH Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead (IKC)
Styperson russet of garagill
Flashmount Danny
Zephyr Wisker of Flashmount
FT CH Dargdaffin Dynamo
High Teal
Ballyellery Adder
IR FT CH Killerisk Hero
FT CH Haretor Mark of Drakeshead

Haulwen Gypsy
FT CH Swinbrook Twig
Scolopax Midnight Lady
FT CH Carnochway Daniel
Holly at Pechasi
Got Jake's 5 generation pedigree today, so just wondered if anybody was related or if anybody knew much about these lines :) Seems to be a bit of red on the Dam's side, not so much on the sire's side though. A lot of "Pechasi" on the dam's side, is that a kennel??


Sire's Side

Sire:
Kenmilltri Columbus

Grandparents:
Clovelly Cavalier
Solo Melody

Great Grandparents:
Admiral AM at Thurbajen
Copper Christmas Cracker
Sharpe's Soldier Boy
Sparbrook White

Great Great Grandparents:
Hazelbeach Hoorah Henry of Llanstinan
Brenhine's Beauty
Monowai Kendal of Birchams
Chocolate Muffin
Lynquest Tusan Dawn
Lynquest Dancing Dee
Keness Huntsman
Ernevale Tulip

Great Great Great Grandparents:
Linjor Fireflint
Sandylands moire of hazelbeach
Flindersia Spice of life at Tyton
Lady Kahlua
Lawnwoods Corona
Monowai Candy Choc Drop
Comet of Koolikon
Duchess Gemma
Clayford Ploughman at Denaldear
Martay Indian Summer at Lynquest
Carromer wild about harry
Lynquests kenine tara
Downfarm Dice
Slingsby Gertrude
FT CH IR FT CH Drumnamoe Shot
Ernevale Joddy

Dam's Side

Dam:
Pechasi Misty of Amarchday

Grandparents:
Pechasi Castaway
Pechasi Reveller

Great Grandparents:
FT CH Talsbrook rhum of Boltonabbey
Pechasi Teal
FT CH Styperson Grouse
Pechasi Juliet

Great Great Grandparents:
Bridgestone Charlie
Styperson Swallow
FT CH Flashmount Socrates
Jesday Flycatcher
FT CH Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead (IKC)
Skellorn Rosemary
FT CH Scolopax Quail of GunstockFT
Pechasi Fern

Great Great Great Grandparents:
FT CH Leadburn Caper of Pocklea
Balmanno Swallow
FT CH Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead (IKC)
Styperson russet of garagill
Flashmount Danny
Zephyr Wisker of Flashmount
FT CH Dargdaffin Dynamo
High Teal
Ballyellery Adder
IR FT CH Killerisk Hero
FT CH Haretor Mark of Drakeshead

Haulwen Gypsy
FT CH Swinbrook Twig
Scolopax Midnight Lady
FT CH Carnochway Daniel
Holly at Pechasi
Hello. Only found this today.
My labrador Retriever is KC SUNSET SHIMMER. AKA Whitby. 20.06.2010 ( sheffield)
Her sire is Kc Launceston Legacy. ( parents) Kenmill to party person/ sweet valley rose. ( parents) Clovelly Cavalier/ outseats classic find then ( SVR parents) wolfdale Ambassador/ Tropical ocean breeze.
Her dam is KC charming beauty ( parents) captian aero/kenmilfore bubbles ( parents) sweet buckeye/ chocolate cascade.
( K BUBBLES PARENTS ) Kenmill to kind/ kenmill to vivaciousvine.
5th generation Clovelly Cavalier bred to Outseats classic finds pup Chesterfields chaser.he is dad of chocolate cascade.
But Sweet buckeye was mated to Morleymoor Rosie Lee and Chocolate cascade with Whitbys (SS ) mum Charming dark beauty.
I had Whitby hip scored at 1. Very high of 2? And right 2? at present not got paperwork with me.
 

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Got Jake's 5 generation pedigree today, so just wondered if anybody was related or if anybody knew much about these lines :) Seems to be a bit of red on the Dam's side, not so much on the sire's side though. A lot of "Pechasi" on the dam's side, is that a kennel??


Sire's Side

Sire:
Kenmilltri Columbus

Grandparents:
Clovelly Cavalier
Solo Melody

Great Grandparents:
Admiral AM at Thurbajen
Copper Christmas Cracker
Sharpe's Soldier Boy
Sparbrook White

Great Great Grandparents:
Hazelbeach Hoorah Henry of Llanstinan
Brenhine's Beauty
Monowai Kendal of Birchams
Chocolate Muffin
Lynquest Tusan Dawn
Lynquest Dancing Dee
Keness Huntsman
Ernevale Tulip

Great Great Great Grandparents:
Linjor Fireflint
Sandylands moire of hazelbeach
Flindersia Spice of life at Tyton
Lady Kahlua
Lawnwoods Corona
Monowai Candy Choc Drop
Comet of Koolikon
Duchess Gemma
Clayford Ploughman at Denaldear
Martay Indian Summer at Lynquest
Carromer wild about harry
Lynquests kenine tara
Downfarm Dice
Slingsby Gertrude
FT CH IR FT CH Drumnamoe Shot
Ernevale Joddy

Dam's Side

Dam:
Pechasi Misty of Amarchday

Grandparents:
Pechasi Castaway
Pechasi Reveller

Great Grandparents:
FT CH Talsbrook rhum of Boltonabbey
Pechasi Teal
FT CH Styperson Grouse
Pechasi Juliet

Great Great Grandparents:
Bridgestone Charlie
Styperson Swallow
FT CH Flashmount Socrates
Jesday Flycatcher
FT CH Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead (IKC)
Skellorn Rosemary
FT CH Scolopax Quail of GunstockFT
Pechasi Fern

Great Great Great Grandparents:
FT CH Leadburn Caper of Pocklea
Balmanno Swallow
FT CH Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead (IKC)
Styperson russet of garagill
Flashmount Danny
Zephyr Wisker of Flashmount
FT CH Dargdaffin Dynamo
High Teal
Ballyellery Adder
IR FT CH Killerisk Hero
FT CH Haretor Mark of Drakeshead

Haulwen Gypsy
FT CH Swinbrook Twig
Scolopax Midnight Lady
FT CH Carnochway Daniel
Holly at Pechasi
Charlie isn't registered (which we knew about when we got him but knew no better :roll: )
I asked what papers she had and she gave me a handwriiten pedigree which said parents were
Admiral Am at Thurbajen and Copper Christmas Cracker
which if genuine we assume were Charlie's Mum's parents or poss Grandparents because of CCC's age.
So we don't know if Clovelly Cavalier is Charlie's Dad or not but I believe he is/ was local to where we got Charlie from
Evening. ADMIRAL AND COPPER. Charlie's. They have pup called Clovelly Cavalier. He then bred to Outseats Classic Find. To produce Kenmill to party Person. Who's granddad to Whitby ( dad) Launce Legacy
 
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