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Sorry, rather a long post but I'm a bit worried about Minnie-Moo :cry:

She's always LOVED other dogs but just recently she seems to be fearful of them and is snapping at them - not our own dogs, she's absolutely 100% with them and them with her.

For example, yesterday at the gundog training day, when we first got there she had some time off lead and was very excited to be there and said hello to various dogs and was fine, then later on while hubby was looking after her and I was doing the photography, I understand she snapped at various dogs :( My apologies to those dogs and owners :oops:

She had her first season, starting mid April, finishing around mid-May (quite a long one from reading up) and she seemed fine while she was actually in season, but didn't go out for almost a month as I didn't want to risk anything happening and we have a decent sized garden for playing in.

I think it's a fear thing but I'm not sure why/what's caused it, which I guess was why I was wondering if it could be a hormonal thing. She was due to be spayed this month but has been diagnosed with hayfever which she's being treated for and on vet advice we've postponed the spay until after her next season. The vet did check her for a phantom just a few days before she was due her spay and said she wasn't having one.

I wondered if she was wary of other dogs being close because her eyes/ears have been irritated by the hayfever, but I don't think from the way she throws herself around playing with my other dogs that her eyes/ears are hurting her, she certainly hasn't shown that at all.

Thinking of her behaviour around other dogs, generally she has loved to meet other dogs, she's always been really friendly and wanted to say hello. She isn't one to bounce all over dogs she doesn't know and doesn't appreciate them doing it to her and she's always been willing to tell a dog off if she is being humped or really pestered at the back end, but that has always been a quick, brief telling off to let them know she's not enjoying it and I haven't had a problem with her doing that and nor has the other dog's owner.

We went to a big charity dog show in June and she was on lead and absolutely fine with the other dogs there, no problems at all. Then we did a stall at a charity dog show about 3 weeks ago and the gazebo frame blew over, didn't hit her but I think it did freak her out and she was then snappy with other dogs that came to the stall after that :(

She was very well socialised as a pup - and ongoing - and she did various charity stalls at shows last year with me when she was 5 months upwards with no problems at all. Generally taking her to an event with lots of other dogs would be bliss for her - and me! We've been on various group walks and she's met tons of dogs both on and off lead.

We've had a few occasions where another dog has really tried to have a go at her - thankfully on lead so not able to make contact - and on those occasions she has sensibly chosen to completely ignore the other dog and not reacted. Also, we've met a few dogs out on lead who aren't always good with other dogs and she and my collie have said hello nicely and the other dogs have been ok with them.

On friday, I was walking back with her and my collie from a lovely walk and we met a couple with a few dogs, including a black lab. My dogs said hello to the Lab and Mins did a little scream, twice, when he was up close. Now I know dogs are aware of all sorts of things we may not pick up on, but I didn't see the dog do anything wrong at all, but she obviously got scared.

She also got really freaked out about our back garden a while back, she wouldn't go any further than the patio. No idea why, I'm not aware of anything spooking her out there. She's just about got back to normal in the last week or so, but it took a few weeks for her to be relaxed out there again.

Any thoughts? I don't want to hide her away from other dogs of course so I am hoping to arrange a few get togethers with dog owners I know, to see if that helps. I am sure it's a fear thing, I'm just not sure why :cry: I am kinda hoping it is hormonal and that it will go away - I'll speak to our holistic vet this week to see if they can suggest anything for us to try.

Thanks for any ideas :flower: and again, many apologies to any poor dog she snapped at yesterday :cry: :oops:
 

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I am no expert (as you know :wink: ) but Jana went through a stage of this and was told it was a fear agression stage they go through at about 18 months, she is totally fine now :)

Hope Minnie-Moo's hayfever gets better soon :) And I love your sig pic, Max's picture makes me smile every time I see it :D (as does M-M but what a gorgeous expression on Max's face)
 

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Thank you Linda - on all counts :flower:

Sorry to hear Jana went through it :( but very glad she is fine now. I will always have a soft spot for her :)

If that is what Mins is having, then it will be a relief if it finishes! Can you remember how long Jana suffered for? She's not much older than Mins is she? Mins is just over 19 months.

Thanks for reminding me of something - I had forgotten to mention, until you posted, that I googled fear periods last night as it was something I wondered about and I haven't had a dog that young for many years now. I read something about a fear period from 14-18 months so did wonder about that, as it would tie in time wise, she came into season at just over 15 months old.
 

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Hi Angela

It only lasted for about a month, I have tried to search the post but I cannot find it :( She seemed to be scared and nervous of other dogs she was only playing with days before :? I will try to find the post again,

Thank you about Jana, we had our moments but she is an absolutely beautiful dog with a beautiful temprament and I am glad she is mine :D Yes and Jana is about 20 months as well :D She is just a joy!
 

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Thanks Linda :)

Thanks for responding John - she's 19 months old now, she'll be 20 months in early Sept.
 

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Interested to hear there is another 'stage' I have yet to hit with Luna! I thought we were sailing into adult hood now as she's just hit 16months old. I'll be interested to read any other posts on this subject as it helps to be prepared!
I hope Minnie-Moo converts back to her friendly, comfortable, confident self again very soon.
 

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Laura, the other stage was something I read about online, but I am not sure if many dogs noticeably go through it or even if everyone believes it exists.

Just a little update, was out with Mins and my collie earlier and saw two people with a Lab and spaniel so headed over, explained Mins seems to have become fearful of other dogs and asked if we could walk with them for a while. They were very happy to oblige so we did and it went very well.

The other dogs were also rescue dogs and very nice and we walked for a short while then stopped and had a chat while the dogs hung around together. Then another person and his rescue dog (who we have met a few times) arrived and they were fine too. Hooray.

Mins was nervous at times, I could see that, but the only time she even got noticeably close to snapping was when both the other dogs were having a sniff at her and even then it didn't develop into a snap. I gave her lots of verbal praise when she was looking relaxed and happy.

A good friend has very kindly volunteered herself and a friend and their dogs to meet up soon :flower: and we're going to meet another friend and her dog soon too. When she was little I made a point of introducing her to as many dogs as I could and have continued this, so shall keep on with this rather than keeping her away. She is definitely more comfortable off lead than on at the moment but hopefully on-lead friendliness will resume at some point too!
 

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Have you read 'On Talking Terms with Dogs: Calming Signals'
by Turid Rugaas, Angela? It might offer some insight and ways to help Minnie.

I think I might still have it somewhere if I haven't lent it out so let me know if you'd like to borrow it.

Becs and The Gang
 

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Well done you Angela!!

Sounds like you have come up with a plan to confront and solve the problems Mins has been having. Fingers crossed she relaxes on lead soon!
 
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