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I have read a lot of post on the forum regards Hills Science plan not being that great and how the vets only recommend it as they get a "kick back" can anyone tell me why that is not that good a food??????? as my dog seems fine on it and am pretty sure a vet wouldnt sell something that isnt suitable for its purpose.

With regards kick backs!!! My vets sells this food 10quid per bag cheaper then any other pet shop near by. Just because the vets recommend it does not necessarily mean they get this so called kick back and if they are then so what???? its still cheaper for me to get it from the vet then buying it in the high street large pet chains!!!!!!!!!!

Are we implying that the well known pet superstores are getting a kick backs from every dog food manufacturer out there as they stock it all under one roof.......... Oh no if its a pet shop it profit.... if its a vets its a kick back i have never heard so much rubbish......

The world revolves around kick/ backs (profit) i think mr vet could earn himself quite enough without selling the dog food aswell!!!!!!!!!
 

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Its the only food we have found that works for Jacks sensitive tummy.

I think when someone finds a food which suits their dog they are going to of course recommend it but if it doesnt suit then they wont.

If Hills suits your dog then I would keep with it.

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Hi Tisme

Well I fed my old cat and dog on Hills maintenance and senior science plan for years with very good results.

I was also a veterinary nurse in several practices in the UK and the only 'reward' the vets got from selling any brand of food was a discount for buying in bulk, which seems fair enough in my book.
 

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If you're happy with the food, your dog is doing well on it, and the price you can get it for suits you, then I'd say keep going with it rather than getting 'het up' about it all! I have no experience of this brand of food and I haven't looked back through the archive, but I strongly suspect there would be a number of good, informative threads that would explain the rationale some people may have for not feeding a particular brand, and IMO it usually comes down to ingredients first and foremost.

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Shona gets Hills, which we get from the vet school (where I work) and the vets feed their dogs on it! They get a discount because they buy in bulk and often they can sell it cheaper as they are not in it for the profit as much as some of the larger chains (although they are of course a business and therefore aim to increase profits!).

As other people have said, feed your dog something you are happy with and seems to suit their digestion/health/condition. I am very happy with Hills and the colleagues of mine who are vets recommend it and they don't see any benefit of that advice in their wages!

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I really can't see why you are so wound up about it. :? Plenty of people do feed Hills, and plenty don't. If it suits your dog and you like it then stick with it. :D

I feed Burns because it suits my dogs nicely. Not everyone likes it though.

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I feed my pup on Hills large breed puppy at the moment and thats what the breeder fed him and recomended.
I have had absolutly no problems with him and he wolfs it down.

Like previous comments say if it suits you then stick by it. Plenty feed it to there dogs plenty don't.

Its your choice.

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If you want to feed Hills, then that's your decision isn't it, you don't have to take note of people who don't want to.

I think there are a few differences between a vet promoting and selling Hills and a petshop selling lots of different products.

For a start some people regard their vet as some kind of god, that what they say is always correct and therefore if the vet suggests Hills, some people will think that means it's the best food and buy it. People don't tend to think of petshop staff in the same way, plus there's quite a choice of food in most petshops/online stores and I have never had a petshop try to sell me a particular food without me inviting it. Not so for vets. I won't buy a pet food just because my vet recommends it, but plenty will, without looking into the ingredients, price etc.

I am not a Hills fan, not least because the company tests on animals and I prefer to buy products that aren't tested, where possible.

For anyone that does feed Hills, does it contain BHA/BHT? That's something else I try to avoid in pet foods but I'm not sure where Hills stands on this.
 

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BHA and BHT are the additive ethoxyquin. It was used years ago in human baby food, but was banned because it is carcinogenic and may have some effect on behaviour. I can't say for certain whether it is in Hills or not without reading the packet, but I think it probably is.

I know they are EC permitted, but I too prefer to use a food that is additive free as far as I can tell. If it is not 100% safe to give to humans then why should it be 100% safe for dogs?

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I think the issue for me is that vets are in a position of responsibility, they are perceived by the mass public to be in an advisory role and not a salesman role......yet many repeatedly push the hills products on paying visitors as 'advice'.
For some cases it is advice (and good advice at that) for other dogs it's really not the only option....yet the food is claimed to be 'the only food worth feeding' (had that said to me several times)

I have less of an issue now you can buy hills elsewhere....I'm sure it used to be only available from vets which made it all worse, like it was some super-food :?

I've lived in london, guernsey, singapore and essex in the last few years and every vet has 'pushed' the hills products.
 

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To be fair to my current vets, they are not too pushy in that regard, but I wonder if there's a note on my file saying something like "asks lots of questions, don't try to sell her anything" :lol:
 

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Angela - I got a copy of Basils notes and it said 'owner knowledgeable and likes to discuss detail' :oops: :lol:
 

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Hi All

Anyways i was just asking lol i aint het up about it just find it amusing people slate it and slag vets for lining there pockets by selling it / pushing it on people. Every post i read seems to be vet this vet that with regards hills.

And with regards animal testing being the reason for some disliking hills well anything that has not been tested on animals soon will be when you put it in you dogs dinner bowl !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Oh and for the whoever it was that said people think vets are god i never implied that, but one day (i hope you or anyone else on the forum is never in this situation) but one day you may well be grateful for his/her god like knowledge.

Anyway i didnt mean to upset anyone so sorry if i offended anyone i was just curious what the bad name in the doggy world for hills was all about, as that what im feeding my puppy and also why vets are accused of lining there pockets when they are cheaper then pet supermarkets we all know.

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I don't find experimentation on animals amusing, but each to their own.

I have great respect for some of the vets I have dealt with, but they are humans not gods. They don't know everything. I have been very grateful to a number of vets in the past, but I do expect them to be willing and able to discuss everything with me as an intelligent human being and to respect my views as much as I am to respect theirs. After all I know my dogs better than anyone - and I'm the paying customer.

As you are so pro-Hills, do you have the answer to my question - does it contain BHA or BHT?
 

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but I do expect them to be willing and able to discuss everything with me as an intelligent human being and to respect my views as much as I am to respect theirs.
Well said that woman :lol: our receptionist was laughing at me because I refuse to see one of the vets in our practice - he is arrogant, pigheaded and tells me I don't know what I'm talking about - whereas the others are much more respectful. We also have a couple of aussie and dutch vets in our 'group' and they are superb - the male aussies also have the added advantage of being young, good looking and perfectly charming :lol: :lol: (which probably means they don't deal with me any differently to the arrogant so and so, it just feels like it PMSL :lol: :oops: )
 

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What makes you think i find animal testing a laughing matter?? ive been an animal lover all my life and always will be...................

What makes you think i am so Pro Hills. I asked what peoples probs where with it (anything i should know) and why vets where slated for pushing it . (please see my original post) whens its sold everywhere.

Now i seem to be getting some answer so thanks for your response.

Does it Contain BHA or BHT i havent a clue .... Like i have said i am new to all this hence my questions.

Thanks to all those who responded sensibly. Stick with what suits seems to be the way forward. As for the Vet i will tell him that im sending Angela to sort him haha

Anyways take care all ........... i have a dog to feed........ think it will be carrots and chicken breast from now on in its less grief haha free range chicken of course

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My vet doesn`t do Hills but does do Royal Canin, one of my cats was given this after a urinary problem occured straight after he was neutered (I still believe this was where the problem came from but was told no).

He was put on a food that contained a lot of salr to make him drink and therefore pee more, I was told he`d probably need to be on this for the rest of his life.

Once home I read the pack, which stated an animal should be on this NO LONGER then 6 months due to the high salt content! 8O , can you blame me for not actually trusting my vet as much as they`d like me too?!

Needless to say when the pack was finished Fudge didn`t have anymore and has been perfectly fine ever since, this was some 3 years ago now.
 

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Just looked on the bag at the ingredients:

Ground maize
greaves meal
Dehydrated chicken and turkey
animal fat
Veg oil
dried whole egg
Flaxseed
potassium chloride
sodium chloride
calcium carbonate
L-tryptophan
Rosemary

Vits A, D3, E, C, B carotene
Copper sulphate
citric acid (preservative)
Mixed tocopherols (antioxidants)

Is there anything on here that would worry anyone? I've not got a good grip on actual ingredients so I'd be interested what people watch out for, it doesn't seem to have BHA or BHT, unless I've missed something?

Also, I agree with others, vets don't know everything but really there's no excuse for them not discussing things with you in as much detail as you like, I guess they just get used to people not really knowing so not asking? Also I bet they get loads of people coming in saying, "I read this on the internet"...etc which probably could get annoying? Not that this is an excuse, they are providing a service which we pay enough for!!

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We first fed Codi on the Science Plan Kibble - she really did love it but we were seeing how expensive it was and we wanted to get something just as healthy for slightly cheaper

Anyway... we tried Wainwights and we tried James Wellbeloved. Supposedly these are the ones that are basically the same as the Hills

Codi didnt like either of those, so we were looking at all the food in the pet shop and this guy came over to us and told us that the Pets At Home own brand (we get Codi the Large bread Chicken or Lamp flavour) had the same stuff as all of the above mentioned... anyway we tried it and Codi loved it. Its £32 for a 15kg bag, but just now there selling an 18kg bag for the same price so we've stocked up :D

With food i think its just a case of trial and error, just as long as you ween them off one before onto another otherwise they'll get a funny bummy

Good luck x
 
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