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Two boxers attacked Bliss in the woods just now. One backed off but the other really had a go at her and I couldn't get it off. When I kicked it the owner sprang into action and tried to grab it but it was ages before we could break it up. The male boxer had Bliss on the ground upside down by the throat and she was screaming and screaming.

It bit her neck several times but I can't find puncture wounds just red marks. Her coat is so thick but I can't find any other injuries elsewhere.

What should I do? I've rang my vet but they can't see us till after 2.00.

I'm so upset. After nearly 2 years of trying to persuade my lovely girl that dogs aren't scary things - AND NOW THIS :evil:

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Sorry Maureen no advice but so sorry, that is awful after all of the hard work you have put in with Bliss :( :(

I think you need to have a coffee and sit down, hope you get on well at the vets and some {{{{{{{{{hope all is ok with Bliss vibes}}}}}}}}} coming your way
 

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Aw, poor Bliss. I don't really have advice, but I know how upset I'd be if this happened to our dogs, so just sending you big hugs and hope it is nothing serious.

I suppose it might help to find some friendly dogs to play with her asap so that you can try to help persuade her that doggies are not to be scared of?
 

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Oh Maureen - so sorry to hear this. I know its difficult but try to keep calm otherwise your angst will pass onto Bliss. I assume you've thoroughly checked her over? If not do so, then you are prepared for the vet this afternoon to point out any injuries etc.

It won't hurt to wait until this afternoon to visit the vet if she has no serious injuries, just keep calm and keep her close to you for reassurance. Explain what happened to the vet and ask him to check her over thoroughly... to be honest there isn't much else you can do at the moment.

What did the owner of the boxer say? Do you know them? I would be expecting this person to pay any vets fees as a result of the incident.

Make sure that once you've been to the vets and got the all clear that you take her out again, either later today or in the morning, on-lead, back to the place where it happened. Take lots of treats with you and re-orientate her to the place and get her used to nothing bad happening in that area, to reassure her its an OK place to walk.
 

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Thank you Linda and Victoria. She's rubbing her eye now and seems really quiet - she doesn't DO quiet. Apparently it was my fault because she was on the lead :evil: .
 

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Get a sugary cup of tea and sit down, the more you stress about it the more you'll pass this on to Bliss that there's something to be worried about.

If you haven't been able to find any gushing blood or huge wounds then hopefully the vet appointment will be ok, but if you think there's something that needs urgent attention just phone the vet back and tell them you need to take her in to see someone asap.

Hope Bliss is ok and there's nothing to be worried about.
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Oh no, I'm so sorry this has happened Maureen. I understand how angry and upset you must feel.
I'm sure you are being calm and quiet for Bliss' sake so she can calm down, but in your shoes I'd be seething inside. :evil:

What would you feel about having another dog as a companion for Bliss, someone she could 'call her own', and draw confidence from? May be completely the wrong way to do it of course, you know Bliss and what she would accept.

I'm sure some wise folks will be along to help, in the meantime, hugs for you and Bliss. xx
 

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Thanks Rach. I know its hard to tell from the level of hysteria in my posts but I'm a former vet nurse, I'm just so upset that this has happened I can't think straight. Thank god for LF so I can vent my feelings on here and then be calmer for Bliss - you're quite right about that.

The boxers were with two men and they also had an oes. The man who waded in eventually did say a quiet 'sorry' but aso denied his dog had actually bitten mine. The other man said I shouldn't have her on a lead. To be honest I just wanted to check Bliss over properly. The oes kept trying to sniff her so I said 'please just go'. Stupid I know.
 

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The oes kept trying to sniff her so I said 'please just go'. Stupid I know.
No, not stupid at all. I would have probably done the same thing! It's what anyone would do if they were concerned about their dog.
 

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Oh Maureen, I am so sorry to hear this :grouphuuug:

If you have checked her over and can't find any bite wounds, I would wait until you see the vet - is she ok going to the vet? Only if it were one of mine and they weren't keen on the vet and I couldn't see any physical injuries, I would probably give the vet a miss for fear of making them more stressed in the day. I would give them homeopathic arnica for any bruising though (I tend to buy my homeopathic stuff from Helios). (Disclaimer, I'm not a vet :wink:.)

They are totally WRONG about it being your fault for having Bliss on the lead. Please don't think this is your fault. You were being responsible and their dogs were out of control (and legally they would be stuffed if they tried that argument).

I know what it's like to have a dog that isn't always great with other dogs and how horrid things like this can feel, especially when you have been making progress. If you have anything like Rescue Remedy around, I'd take something yourself and give Bliss some too.

Take care :grouphuuug: and I really hope this doesn't set her back too much. I agree with the above suggestions to get her mixed with dogs she is ok with, as soon as you can.
 
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Calm yourself Hun (((((HUGS))))). Bliss will feel much better if you are calm and in control (difficult I know in situations like this).

Chances are no real physical damage has been done, however Bliss will no doubt take a step backwards in her social skills. I wouldn't rush to find her other friendly dogs to socialise with, as you are probably going to be really tense about how she will react, which will go straight down the lead. Give yourselves a chance to put this behind you and to feel more calm about meeting other dogs....and when you do eventually meet up keep thinking calm thoughts (hum a little tune to yourself or recite a nursery rhyme, anything to take your mind off what "might" happen).

I have had this happen several times....twice with Boxers on seperate occasions, once with 2 Belgium Shepherds and once with 2 German Pointers.....and yes it did shake up my normally very sociable dogs but they did get over it and I'm sure Bliss will do too, especially if you can stay calm and act normal.

More ((((((HUGS)))))).
 

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Oh Maureen, really sorry to hear about this - you must be really shaken up and poor Bliss too.

I can't believe they said to you it was your fault for having Bliss on a lead 8O :evil:

All you can do is give Bliss a thorough check over, sometimes puncture wounds can be hard to spot especially with a thick coat. I do hope she is ok, I'm sure your vet will give her a thorough going over.

(((((Hugs)))) to both of you.
 

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that is awfull :( its easy for me to say but try and stay calm have a good strong cuppa have a good look at bliss ,i really feel for you and big hugs comming your way suexxx
 

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What a dreadful thing to happen. I know that you should get their names and addresses but I dont know that I could if I was on my own in that situation. I would just want to get away and check my dog over.

Let us know what the vet says.
 

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What a horrible things for both of you. Hopefully this will not set lovely Bliss back too much.

I'm sure the vet will give her the all clear and she she can get out and about asap and realise the world is not full of bad doggies.
 

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Thank you everyone you're all really helping. I've taken all your comments onboard, had a cuppa, and am now in vet nurse mode.

She has several red bruise marks around her neck from the bites. No puncture wounds. Her eye seems ok now. No other obvious injuries. Her coat will take a bit of brushing to get the brambles out and she's a bit quiet. So I'll decide nearer the appointment time whether to keep it or not. She's not too bad at the vets Angela but as you say best not add to the stress if possible. Do you use human arnica for your dogs?


As for it not being my fault - well I agree the other dog owner was to blame for his dogs being out of control. Over Christmas there was a fight near the same spot and although I can't be sure (as I headed off in the opposite direction) it may have been the same dogs. There was certainly an oes and some men. Didn't hang around to see what else. But two labradors and a big st bernard-type dog were set upon. The men waded in and it was over quickly. But I definitely heard someone say 'its because your dogs on a lead.' It has to be the same people surely? It was about the same time in the morning too.

Having said all that I DO blame myself for not being able to rescue her. I had hold of her lead for heavens sake. Although it was a long training lead. The dogs bowled her down the hill under some brambles and all I could do was kick the bigger dog. I just couldn't get it off. I'll never forget the look in Bliss's eyes as long as I live. Or the sound of her screams. She isn't a soft dog, she must've been in a lot of pain and very scared. I couldn't help her and its my job to protect her. I feel I've let her down.
 

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Oh Maureen, what a horrible thing to happen to Bliss. What is it with some boxers? I've had a similar experience with Cadbury when we met a pair of off lead boxers, I was talking to the owner who I vaguely know but I could see the male was getting rather stiff around Cadbury who was on lead.

Before I knew it the male boxer had pinned Cadbury down and was growling at him and refusing to let him up. I honestly thought Cadbury was going to be bitten, but the owner did pull the dog off, but didn't bother to put him on a lead (I don't think she had a lead), so he came straight back. Needless to say we left hastily.

Saying all that, I know a couple with boxers who come to training and agility and they are the most lovely, well-mannered dogs - I just think like staffies the wrong type of people are owning boxers these days.

Anyway, I do hope Bliss is OK. Fortunately dogs tend to recover quicker from shocks than we do, but I know you will be worried about how it will affect her around other dogs. All I can think of to say is try to act normally and as if nothing much happened.

BIG HUGS to you and Bliss and

CROSS VIBES to the men who owned those boxers.
 

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I am so so sorry to read this, it must have been so frightening for you and of course poor Bliss.

Hope you have had a sit down and a strong/sweet cup of tea.

As you were a veterinary nurse am sure you will know exactly how to care for Bliss and will have given her a thorough going over.

Please let us know how you get on at the vets.

Sending {{{{{{Big Hugs}}}}}} to you both.
 

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Maureen, I just buy Arnica - I did buy it from our holistic vet the first time because he was here and seeing my old dog, who had had a stroke, and I didn't want to wait for the post, but it was way more expensive that way (he suggested next time I needed a remedy to buy elsewhere).

I just phone Helios: http://www.helios.co.uk/contact.html - and let them know what I want and they are very quick to send out. If you manage to get them this morning, you might well have it tomorrow assuming they are working today. I would buy the 30cc strength.

I have bought different remedies in liquid form as you're not meant to handle the remedy and so with the liquid one you can drop a little on their upper lip/tip of nose and they will lick it off :)

It's obviously not a substitute for seeing a vet if she needs to but I would imagine a holistic vet would recommend arnica anyway.

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As for it not being my fault - well I agree the other dog owner was to blame for his dogs being out of control. Over Christmas there was a fight near the same spot and although I can't be sure (as I headed off in the opposite direction) it may have been the same dogs. There was certainly an oes and some men. Didn't hang around to see what else. But two labradors and a big st bernard-type dog were set upon. The men waded in and it was over quickly. But I definitely heard someone say 'its because your dogs on a lead.' It has to be the same people surely? It was about the same time in the morning too.

Having said all that I DO blame myself for not being able to rescue her. I had hold of her lead for heavens sake. Although it was a long training lead. The dogs bowled her down the hill under some brambles and all I could do was kick the bigger dog. I just couldn't get it off. I'll never forget the look in Bliss's eyes as long as I live. Or the sound of her screams. She isn't a soft dog, she must've been in a lot of pain and very scared. I couldn't help her and its my job to protect her. I feel I've let her down.
Honestly, it's not your fault that you are minding your own business with your dog on a lead and other dogs bowl over and have a go at her. I'd probably feel the same - and if I posted you'd probably be telling me it wasn't me to blame at all :wink: You did protect her, you did all you could to get the dogs off, got her out of there and you are looking after her.

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