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I had Indie and Tau out together earlier, Indie is quite happy trotting along and will recall if I need to put her back on lead to stop her getting over giddy - she's at the specialist again next week and should be pretty much back to normal. Tau I just leave to sort herself out if needs be, which she does fine, plus if I need to put her in a sit or down at a distance I know I can.

First encounter was a woman walking a good few hundred yards off with a small spaniel, and possibly a cockerpoo. I had my Mum with me, who made me think perhaps I was a bit 'critical'. The other woman was walking parallel with her head down and her dogs doing whatever they liked ranging far and wide. I just knew the cockerpoo thing would come over, so got Indie on lead (she has a tendency to squash such things) and sure enough, the little thing came whizzing across, Tau ignored it completely and Indie gave it an impressive 'stand and stare'. The little thing stopped dead at 20 paces, assessed the situation and decided it wasn't going to play with the big dogs and off it went - all this time the owner kept her head down and had no idea where her dogs were.

The second encounter was with an elderly couple and their old castrated dog, looked a bit like a lab/mastiff, walking the other way as we passed them. Again, I spot them coming early so pop Indie on lead so she doesn't get over giddy (she's such a big flirt), and leave Tau to sort herself out. The older couple walk past their dog sniffing Tau (and then attempting to mount her) to ask me if mine were 'girl dogs' as theirs only likes girl dogs. :? :roll: :roll: :roll: During this time Tau has tried to be as civil as possible to their dog, and eventually sat down so he couldn't sniff her bits, which still didn't work, and when their dog, attempting to get Tau to stand up, gets in the way of a cyclist (cycle/footpath) the old lady got snotty with the cyclist 8O

The last encounter was with a guy walking a similar distance to the first woman, again, spotted him early with his dog, which looked like a young GSDx, and popped Indie on lead. This dog came pounding up tail in the air and immediately proceeds to sniff Tau and nudge her shoulder, trying to lay its head across her back. Tau doesn't want any of this, and her reaction is to stick her hackles and tail up and nudge back, but being a good natured girl she then initiates play and bum tucks off like mad, and the two of them run around for the next five mins. By then the owner of this dog comes across, asks what sort of dog Tau is :roll: and is astounded a labrador can run so fast :roll: :roll: In the mean time his young bitch tries it on with Indie (who's still on lead), who gives her a bit of a squash, so she goes off to play with Tau again. I'd asked the guy what mix was in with the GSD, I'd wondered if it was husky, but didn't like to guess, and he confirmed it was indeed. That's gonna be a helluva problem dog in my inexperienced view if he hasn't got any sort of a recall at 8 months old, and it greets other dogs the way it did with Tau. By the end of play it was getting a bit nippy and I could tell Tau had had enough, so off we went!

So, am I over critical? I sort of discussed the situation with Mum on the way back to the car, every single one of those people would (or could) have seen I had Indie on lead, what if she'd been dog aggressive? What if she'd bitten their dogs, one of them probably wouldn't have noticed at all in any case! I am really careful with my girls to make sure they don't mug anyone elses dog(s), accidentally squash kids, or make a general nuisance of themselves, and have quite good recalls with them although they are not robots by any means. I was perfectly polite to the people I spoke to and just let them know why Indie was on lead so they could grab their dogs if they needed to, but it just amazes me sometimes that people can be so apathetic with their dogs, or perhaps I am just over critcial 8O
 

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I put my hand up as sometimes finding myself in situations with Cadbury where I am not proud, where he runs up to a dog and I can't get him back or he bounces up to people.

He has the same done to him, and I do like you try and put him on a lead if I see something coming before he does, but so often his eyes are better.

You'd probably think he was a right nuisance if you met him on a walk loose! Though I have to say he is very polite and rolls on his back for every new dog he meets.
 

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At least you try Sophie, and are training Cadbury - trust me, Indie and Tau have had their moments and still do!!!! Chloe I sometimes have to grab out of the way of cyclists and virtually lift her by her harness to avoid getting run over, but its the apathy that gets me, people just don't seem bothered, or even to understand their own dogs remotely, let alone other peoples??
 

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No i don't think your being critical.I think other dog owners should show respect,when they see your dog on the lead,they should put their dogs on.If ever i see someone approaching us,when walking in open spaces,and their dogs are on a lead,i put Tara on lead.Its just good manners. :) :) :) :)
 

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I think you are being a tad too critical Joanne yes... I do not recall Danny and Jake everytime I see someone else with another dog and I do let them run up to say hello! I do keep an eye on them however, and shout them back if they don't come straight back and the other dog walker's dog isn't off-lead/doesn't want to play...
 

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I have heard one lady who owns a wolf spitz(?) say that she just lets her dog get on with things as its the best way for her to learn. Initially her dog seemed really good and I thought she had a point, but recently I met her again and the dog was growly towards Cadbury and also she walks it with two unpleasant boxers (one has pinned Cadbury while he was on lead and refused to let him up) who's owner walks her dogs always off-lead without leads, and I consider that very irresponsible.

I sometimes think apathy comes when people can't get their dog to be well-behaved or just can't be bothered and it is easier (they think) to let their dog do as it pleases.

Seems to me you have to have a thick-skin to behave like that.
 

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I find it really difficult because Dibley is so bad at recall still if there are any other dogs or people around and so I am always looking out to see who is where so that I can beat him to it :roll: For that reason I do get mad with people who just let their dogs roam it can be so unfair on Dibley.

The one I had that made me really mad was when we were on holiday in October. We were down on an empty beach and Dibley was running free. This woman came along on her horse on the road at the top of the beach. She had a dog with her. We had to catch Dibley and put him on the long line because we had no idea what he would do with the horse. Her dog came down on the beach while she just rode on out of sight of us and her dog!!! Eventually the dog went off to find her but poor Dibley then had to suffer his long line so he wouldn't follow. It is inconsiderate to other dog owners I think.
 

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I am more the complete opposite to those people, if I think my dog is going to be a nuisance (Macy AKA Tigger), I put her on lead and try to walk quietly past. I am still trying to get her to stop doing a spring from all four feet up on people :oops: :oops: , this is hmmm a work in progress

Jana is a dream without Macy there and just goes and submits to anything, says hello has a hooly about if the dog is up for it and comes back when we shout her

So in summary, I maybe go too far the other way of those people but I dont think you are being OTT, I think you are doing the sensible thing as a good owner :D
 

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I must admit I rarely put Baxter on a lead if we see another dog approaching now, unless I see them look worried and quickly put theirs on in a hurry, in which case I assume their dog is a problem!

We seemed to get into a situation where one walker would put their dog on lead, so then the other would see this and do the same, and then when we got up to each other both realised we had perfectly nice and friendly dogs that both just wanted to say hello, and it all got a bit silly.

Now he's grown up Baxter always approaches others slowly and wagging, and is 'doggy-polite' when he gets there, so I let him unless warned otherwise, in which case I can get him back.

I do sometimes wonder (in some cases) what people are teaching their dog if they call them away and put them on lead every time they see another dog.
 

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I try to get Charlie on the lead if I see other dogs approaching, as he too has a tendency to greet them by trying to jump on top. :roll:

I'd say 90% of the time I am successful, but I really have to be well ahead of the game with him, as he is such a headstrong idiot. :roll: If he does happen to see or scent another dog before I know about them then I can still come unstuck though.

I must say that when I see someone else having some trouble recalling their dog from mine I tend to think "there but for the grace of god" etc. I have to be sort of relaxed about it, because it is perfectly possible that I could be the one in difficulties next. :(

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Same as Rach and Sarah for me ....................although it also depends on where we are and the situation .

Dogs need to be dogs :wink:

Forgot to answer your question a tad to critical but easy for me to say when not in that situation ...................know alot of people with dogs that drive me mad but then Hrh can be a pain to and B well he has to speak to EVERYONE so am no-one to talk :wink:
 

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The problem could have been, I suppose, having two dogs, one on lead and one off lead??

But having said that, out of the three other dog walkers around, one had no idea where her dogs were (maybe she was having a bad day), the others had no notion of how their dog would react and didn't actually watch to see how he'd react, and the last one just had no brain cells, I think is fair to say.

Judging from the responses so far, at least every single one of you would have known where your dog(s) was/were and would have kept an eye on them, which is more than can be said for the people I 'bumped' into. I have to say I really didn't mind other people's dogs coming up to me, not how the post meant to sound at all, its just their 'apathy' - perhaps I'm not explaining myself very well.
 

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Sleeping_Lion, I often wonder if I'm too critical too. I always try and get Bracken back in time to put her lead on if I see anyone (be it dog walker or otherwise) coming as she can be over zealous and prone to barrelling right up to another dog who might not favour her advances or jump all over some poor person (usually wearing white clothing!) So, I guess I just have an expectation (wrongly?) that other dog walkers will do the same and then owners walking toward each other can let each other know their views on letting the dogs meet and greet and then maybe have a bit of a run around together for 5 mins.

My major bug bear at that moment is people who let their dogs come right up to mine when to me it's obvious that I'm trying to practise getting her to ignore other dogs and walk on, or I'm trying to get her to sit and wait and then greet them on command (failing miserably at both just now, we seem to have relapsed!)
 

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ok i will justify my answer from a personal point of view. if i had a pound for every minutes training i had put into paddy in the last 10 months i could quite comfortabley retire. massive changes have taken place from the asbo dog i took on but and its a big but if a dog is withing 30 or 40 metres away i know for a fact i have no control over him running in to the other dog and believe me ive tried everything but proofing recall against other dogs is impossible. and as is the usual case the other dog will always appear when paddy is off playing somewhere or sniffing something. does his behaviour make me a bad owner, well i think not some dogs just cant help themselves.

the number of times ive had to make my excuses to someone else about this problem i could probably retire again.

my view has always been ive tried to recall or stop my dog and if he ignores the command and gets bitten by the other dog it is entirely my fault and i wouldnt remonstrate with the other dogs owner because he ignored my command. simple as that
 

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Moj, my most hilarious training session was with someone elses terriers trying to get into my bag full of dummies (and dead bits) and the owner wandering over to have a peek and shout 'is this your bag' whilst I was redirecting Tau onto a dummy about 20 yards away from him :roll: He did provide a helluva training distraction though, have to give him that!!

But I am thinking maybe I'm too over conscious of the girls and other peoples' dogs on walks 8O maybe I should have a glass of wine before I take them out and just let them get on with it :wink: :D :D :D
 

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I too can have one dog off-lead and one dog on-lead.

Topsy is fine and pretty harmless and I can often just leave her be, but Charlie can be such a full-on and headstrong character (almost a bully-boy at times) that I feel I really need to warn the other owner and ask if they mind (or if their dog could cope with him mounting etc.) before simply letting him loose.

I love to let them loose and have them running with other dogs, and I do that whenever possible, but Charlie's bully-boy tactics in the past, coupled with a very un-labrador like defensiveness towards the occasional human stranger mean that I have to be pretty careful. :?

I like to be relaxed towards other people having difficulty calling their dogs back, or whose dog has gone off without them. If I criticised them and then it happened to me (never say never) then it would be the pot calling the kettle black.

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Probably not too over critical, I agree people should be aware of what their dogs are doing. I don't expect anyones dog or control of them to be perfect, but I do expect them to keep an eye on them. Mine do embarrassing things sometimes, but I know they are not aggressive and at worst might make someone a bit muddy by jumping at them 8O (although they have just about stopped doing this now).

I always put them on lead if I see someone approaching with theirs on lead as I would assume there is a reason, but if they are off lead I just assume they are fine and let mine run around too.
 
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