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I have a 2 year old daughter. She loves dogs and is very gentle.

I have reserved a beautiful 3 week old choc lab puppy with a little white spot beneath his neeck :)

Has anyone got any positive constructive advice for when I bring puppy home and in eaely months - specifically with the toddler and dog playing appropriatly? Obv I can teach my daughter easily but unsure about puppy so much!

We have booked a home consultation with a company that will advise us on training etc before puppy is home and we intend to start with appropriate training from day1 - as advised.

My other q is regarding the breeder. I had a really good feeling about her and the puppies- hence reserving 1.

Puppy will be kc reg. Mum and dad have not had hip scores done as the breeder said that she felt she didn't want to put her dogs under anaesthetic unless they needed to ne anywya. She told me the very low hip scores of the grandparents though.

Secondly- the puppies are very happy and comfy in a stable lined with bedding and hay with mum. This seems a very nice place for them to be but will it cause a problem with socialisation? We would be collection the little boy when he is 7 weeks 2 days.

Id really appreciate your comments

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Ok honestly I would not be buying the puppy. She is willing to mate her dogs and put her dog through whelp ing and raising a litter but not get her hip scored? At the least I would want hip scores, elbow scores, a current eye test and a clear optigen test.

You will have this pup for possibly the next ten plus years and by buying from health tested parents you are ensuring it the best start health wise
 

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Unfortunately I, too, would walk away.

The health of any dog is always a gamble - but I like to know I've done everything I can to stack it my way - and hip scores are the very least I would expect. Cutting corners/costs on this most basic of health tests in a breed which is prone to hips problems would make me doubt how they had gone about the rest of the breeding process. To be honest - I'm really surprised that anyone is still using the old "don't want to put my dog through an anaesthetic" excuse! :roll:

Being in a stable at 3 weeks wouldn't worry me - but I would expect the breeder to be taking them into the house to get them used to the washing machine, vacuum cleaner, people, children etc.

I can't advise about having a puppy and toddler - but I know that while my dogs are quite happy around children they can be large and clumsy and easily knock small children over or accidental catch them with their teeth if they both reach for a ball at the same time.

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I would be looking for a litter which has been raised in the home and even where the breeder has children of their own as the pup will be far more used to the noise and sounds of kids and normal family life plus may also have been handled by children too.
This is addition to the health tests might take some searching but will be worth it
 

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Another for walk away.

I would also reconsider since you have a toddler. Little labs are crocodiles and trust me, they can bring 14 stone blokes to tears. Plus you will effectively have two toddlers.

I know some have done it, but even tough I don't have kids, you probably have your hands full as it is.

Labs are far from the little Andrex puppy. Sorry if it is not the reply you were expecting, but sometimes it is best in the long run (for the dog and your family) to take it on the chin now rather than yet another pup ending up in rescue this time next year.
 

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I'm sorry but I would never get a puppy that hadn't been raised in the home and used to the home environment, people noises etc. A good breeder would also always hip score.

When you do finally get a pup just be aware that they are all teeth to start with so I'm sure you would never leave dog & young child alone together.

Good luck
 

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Thank you everyone.

Dont worry I know I was going to get mixed replies!

It all helps in the grand scheme with decision making.

I take on your comment about teeth! I really want to talk to someone who has done it so they can share ways of managing etc and get a variety of different views if possible!

Obv now is the time to work all this out as you say before I buy the pup.

Ive researched a lot about the breed but it helps to talk to people with hands on experiencea
 
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Mum and dad have not had hip scores done as the breeder said that she felt she didn't want to put her dogs under anaesthetic unless they needed to ne anywya.
What Rot! :roll:

More likely she didn't want to spend out anymore than necessary to have a litter of Money Makers.

Walk away. Don't put your hard earned cash in the hands of a breeder who only cares about how much money her dogs can earn her.

As for how you can manage a pup and toddler, then I guess it depends on what you expect. The toddler will get knocked flying, chased, chewed, snapped at, pounced on, etc, etc, just like mine did when I had young children and pups. The toddler will fall in poo, eat dog food, have dog hairs in their food, get covered in mud, etc, too. I think this did my children the world of good though, but for many parents this would be a Health and Safety nightmare.
 

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I have a 2 year old (as well as older children) and I recommend baby gates on certain door ways I order to separate the toddler and the dog when the two of them need a break from each other!
 

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Familylab said:
Puppy will be kc reg. Mum and dad have not had hip scores done as the breeder said that she felt she didn't want to put her dogs under anaesthetic unless they needed to ne anywya. She told me the very low hip scores of the grandparents though.
Another vote for walk away.

My dogs are all rescues, as there are always so many dogs needing a good home, but knowing that this woman is aware of the very basic of Labrador breed health tests and she has chosen not to do it and has come up with a flimsy excuse, means I vote for 'walk away' too. She's not a responsible breeder.

If she was as concerned about putting her dogs at unnecessary risk as she seems to be trying to make out, she wouldn't have bred from her bitch, in my opinion.

I can't help on the introduction of puppy to a child they're living with, but I'm curious as to the company you've booked to come out to help you ...?
 

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Thank you very much.

I have found advice regarding toddlers to be very mixed- some people that work with dogs professionally have suggested its a great time and they can grow and learn together.

Obviously there are always going to be challenges though and yes it will be important for me to have plans to aid time out from each other! !

It seems to be the minority of breeders that do the hip check etc and kc reg. Are theae what might be considered irresponsible?

I have also met with a lady who has 2 labs and they have had 2 litters now. She was very honest and genuine but had done no health checks and said 'im no breeder but I feel it is their right to have a litter' presumably that is also a problem as the pups though lovely may have nkt been bred with best of health! !

Is a better way to go about this to contact the breeders on kc website listed as 'assured breeders' will this be a fool proof option?
 

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The company is called 'the dog trainer' the provide 1-1home visits to train dogs or puppies and will help with everything plus give advice by email.

They offer a pre puppy visit that I have booked to help you get off to the best start and give advice on individual situations.

They cover the whole of Kent
 

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Anyone who breeds is a breeder and any GOOD breeder will health test. And the dogs don't have a need to have a litter. The owners do and purely for money if they are being that slap dash about it.

Have a look at www.lab-health.co.uk for information about the tests and why they are so important. There are also several 'sticky' thread at the top of the puppy and breeding sections on the forum about what to ask a breeder etc and finding the right puppy.
 

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Familylab said:
I have also met with a lady who has 2 labs and they have had 2 litters now. She was very honest and genuine but had done no health checks and said 'im no breeder but I feel it is their right to have a litter' presumably that is also a problem as the pups though lovely may have nkt been bred with best of health! !

wow!! :evil: :evil:

If she breeds dogs...then she's a breeder! the dogs themselves dont *want* to have puppies! They dont have a "right" to puppies - mostly they wouldn't want them if you could ask them!

It's absolutely disgusting that someone would just throw 2 dogs together, without any care for the health of the puppies produced, then try to sell them

Please, please, please - go to a responsible breeder who makes every effort to ensure that the dog you're going to spend 10+ years with has the very best start!

You will only get to make this choice once...please make the right one!

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I got my pup when my children were 5 and 8 but they are both developmentally delayed so especially with my younger child it was like having a puppy and a toddler . It worked brilliantly for me but getting a very good breeder is important as they also consider the temperament of the dogs they are breeding so I chose a dog that came from parents that were very placid and biddable and my pup has inherited their nature luckily . I used a crate so the pup could have some peace from the children and never left them alone together. My dog was never a little crocodile but this is not typical of lab pups so your toddler and yourself must be the sort of people to not get upset by a puppy nipping and or knocking a child over cos this will likely happen but in find it has been a very positive experience for my children . Take your time and look for the right breeder and there will be a puppy out there suitable for your family . Good luck

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I have just emailed someone I found details of a letter on kennel club website.

She has come back with confirmation of all tests and other info. This is obv a much better place to start !
 

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Familylab, any proffessional worth their peanuts will know that its a complete myth that toddlers and puppies grow together and learn from one another. Infact SO many rehomings take place because it was not the 'misty dream of puppies and children running through fields of barley they expect... more like bashed in bloody noses, hair pulled out at the root, puppy being told off more than cuddled, kids ending up slightly wary of puppy... and parents not wanting to but holding their children's scratches, teeth marks and scratched cheek that playgroup look suspiciously at mum about, against the puppy.

I genuinely would advise anyone to at LEAST wait till their child is 5 before getting a puppy. So out at school part of the day allowing you some training time, breathing time and maybe finding a daytime puppy class.

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Never thought about what Di has just said . Yes my children were out at school during the day so am not sure it would have been such a good experience if the children and Bruce were together all of the time .

Claire x
 

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I think there is a big difference between kids growing up with dogs already in the house or a puppy coming home to experienced dog owners who happen to have kids. That is a world apart from a toddler and bringing home first puppy
 

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In terms of buying a puppy, its not a minority of breeders who hip score and eye test their dogs they breed from... its around 47% of all litters born, which is pretty much half.

The other half just, frankly, don't give a stuff, even if they cuddle their pups and say all the right things. 5% of those just genuinely might not KNOW about healthtesting and it be GENUINELY inadvertant.... but 95% DO and just want to save the £350 per dog it would cost them.

You hear, over the years, some fabulous wild and wooly reasons, infact when they come out of someones mouth face to face they almost sound convincing sometimes, less so written down... but thats all they are, excuses for selling you and the puppies they produce, short.

But listen on a positive front, I hope this helps (its not long waffly and judgemental, promise!) : http://www.labradorforums.co.uk/ftopict-27456.html

Di
 
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