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Old 18-04-2018, 12:46 PM   #1 (permalink)
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ANY help would be much appreciated. We have a 5 year old male black lab with serious issues. At home we have a floppy, relaxed, wonderful dog who occasionally jumps up to bark at the postman. In public we have a dog ready for an ASBO. He has been to puppy training since 12 weeks old, has even passed his Bronze good citizens (it was a good day and a nice judge). But increasingly he has become a hyperactive mess.
He has always been keen, strong, and self willed, but as time is going on, he appears to getting worse. He is not allowed off lead except in the garden as there is nowhere safe and enclosed around us and he just can't be trusted. He pins his ears back, puts his ear plugs in and he's off.
We tried some more advanced obedience training and he goes one of two ways: get him excited about the job, and his eyes go red and he bounces of the walls (last night was literally wall of death-esk!). If you try and keep him calm, he is instantly bored and starts to sniff everything.
He has no interest in toys if he has an audience.
He has no interest in ANY treats, to the point where if he does take one, he will spit it out across the room in a comedy watermelon pip moment. Except we are no longer finding any of this funny.
The last three months have had the drive home from puppy class delayed by sobbing in the car park.
The senior trainer, a colly man of 60 years said he had no ideas.
Our boy is entire, having chemically zapped them, the vet said removal would make no difference to him. He is on a low protein diet and cannot be on raw. He has joint support vitamins as his hyperactivity is damaging his hip, knees and elbows.
I am not prepared to give up on him. The few moments of joy we have had show what he can do when we have his brain on our side. But something needs to be done and no one we know has any advice....
Please help... Thank you.
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Old 19-04-2018, 02:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Maybe you could look for a good behaviourist? (Sadly, not many about).
Some Labs can be more intelligent than we realise and the object of getting one is mutual love, respect and fun, not stressed, unhappy humans.

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Local behaviouralist was a disgrace. Said he has too many issues and should be rehomed or put down, personally favouring the later, as why should we pass on the problem to someone else.
He is NOT a problem he is a DOG! He is a member of the family, my daughters best friend and we are not going to give up on him. As I said before, at home he is a big ball of snoozing fluff, just as happy to be hanging upside down off the sofa as he is bouncing round the garden.
He has had all sorts of tests at the vet but they have found nothing medically wrong. He bounces across their carpark, charges in, sees his favourite vet, goes in the assessment room and having made sure to get a quick lick in, just stands gazing at her, butter wouldn't melt!
He is not agressive in any way to either humans or other dogs, just incredibly excitable becoming hyperactive when out and about.
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Have you thought about gundog work, I'm not saying taking him to a shoot, but find somewhere remote and start teaching him to retrieve? Gets his mind working and focusing on you?

For me, the way to a happy time out with the dogs is for us to be working together, if I just go and take them for a walk and let them off lead they go self employed and start sniffing out and finding their own fun, but if I'm engaging with them and working with them then they're much more interested to be around me.
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Could not agree more with Phil. It tires the brain out rather that just building more and more muscle and stamina.

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We did try a local gundog class, but it was suggested we came back when he was " a bit more steady and reliable". The problem is keeping him concentrating long enough to come back. He does a very nice retrieve in the garden -ball, dumbell, dummy- but after two goes, he either flies round with tail tucked under and ears back, or gives up on route to pick up and wanders off... Again, if you excite him to keep his interest he goes loopy, if you are calm and relaxed he switches off and gets bored.
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Gun dog training would work wonders as John and Phil have said, personally I would have thought the right trainer would be able to teach steadiness, try a beginners class then you’ll all be starting at the beginning with the basics. Where abouts are you ?

Just wondering if it could be food related, why low protein, why cant he have raw food?

What’s he like when lead walking, does he walk to heel, sit when asked, stop when you stop, meaning is he focused on you and does he actually know what he’s supposed to be doing? The thing to remember is, if he doesn’t listen to you when he’s at your side, on or off lead - he ain’t gonna listen when he’s in the middle of a field running free, so what’s his recall like?
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We did try a local gundog class, but it was suggested we came back when he was " a bit more steady and reliable".
The problem with some gundog classes is they take it quite seriously, and expect you to know what you're doing. So you either need to find a beginners pet gundog classs or try things on your own.

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The problem is keeping him concentrating long enough to come back.
Try looking at it a different way, make him want to come back. Make it worth his while to come back, what's his favorite reward?
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It's all about making the area around you the most interesting and fun place to be. The place where everything happens rather than the place you return to when there is nothing better to do.
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As I said before, he has always been keen, strong, and self willed. On lead he can be heavenly. He walks nicely and follows sit and wait commands so long as we have his attention. It is getting and keeping the attention that is the problem. He is not allowed off lead except in the garden as there is nowhere safe and enclosed around us and he just can't be trusted. He pins his ears back, puts his ear plugs in and he's off. He can switch from saintly to red eyed devil in a split second and with no warning. He can be on the run in of a recall, 80% towards you, then shoot off at a 90 degree angle with no warning.

To try to keep his attention has been a nightmare. If you try to get him excited about doing an activity, recall etc his eyes go red and he bounces of the walls, which can take best part of an hour to calm down from. If you try and keep him calm, he is instantly bored, switches off and starts to sniff everything.
He has no interest in toys if he has an audience of any kind. Even someone spotted on the other side of the field/park.
He has no interest in ANY treats, from shop bought training treats, roast meat, liver sausage, to the gravy bones he loves at home. We have tried all sorts with no success.
At puppy classes he has always wanted to watch everyone else play rather than play himself.
At Gundog classes he either sat to watch everyone else and refused to do anything himself or would gallop off around the field with or without a handler attached, occasionally with the trainer attached.
We have even tried YuCalm and Calmeze both of which made him very groggy at home and even more wild at class like he was trying to fight the effects.
His behaviour is damaging his hips, shoulders and elbows. Flyball is out due to the stress on his joints. Agility club have said no as he would upset others. Gundog club said to come back when he is calmer. Obedience club says they don't know what to do.

I can't give up on him. I won't give up on him.

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