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Old 01-02-2020, 10:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Just looking for some advice/opinion on supplements for older dogs.
Our older lab - 14 year old spayed bitch, Daisy, has recently had a raft of tests at the vets (bloods and urine ) to determine why she's drinking more and having urine 'leaks' in her sleep. The vets has said that for a dog of her age, her bloods are very good. She's got very early (stage 1 ) kidney disease and signs that her liver is deteriorating. The vets doesn't think it's necessary to put her on a kidney support specialist diet at this stage, but has prescribed propalin for the incontinence (which we started 2 days ago) as well as an antioxidant liver supplement such as hepatosyl, hepaticare, or protexin denamarin. I have ordered some, but it's nearly £60 for a month's supply (unless I'm reading the dosage wrong) So £750 a year??

So, what I'm really wondering - is it worth the cost? Would just a cheaper milk thistle supplement have the same effect? Does anyone have any experience?. Searching online, scientific evidence for effectiveness seems sketchy. Obviously, I don't want our much-loved Daisy to be in any discomfort or unhappy and would treat as required. However, she's 14 years old and parts of her will start to wear out - just as they do in us, so what I really want to know is whether expensive liver supplements at this age are going to improve her quality of life enough or if there are alternatives we can give?

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For what it's worth, I'd not bother. As you say, problems at that age are to be expected. Propalin is likely to sort out in incontinence, at least in the short term. My Amy is almost 15, has had bowel incontinence for the last 9 or 10 months and is just starting mild bladder incontinence, and quite frankly I'm not bothering her. I know her days are numbered, (She has cancer, her back legs barely support her and she is loosing weight.) My hall carpet is old, so I'm just saying to myself that when the inevitable happens, I'll just rip the carpet out, redecorate and get a new carpet.
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Hi there
Just looking for some advice/opinion on supplements for older dogs.
Our older lab - 14 year old spayed bitch, Daisy, has recently had a raft of tests at the vets (bloods and urine ) to determine why she's drinking more and having urine 'leaks' in her sleep. The vets has said that for a dog of her age, her bloods are very good. She's got very early (stage 1 ) kidney disease and signs that her liver is deteriorating. The vets doesn't think it's necessary to put her on a kidney support specialist diet at this stage, but has prescribed propalin for the incontinence (which we started 2 days ago) as well as an antioxidant liver supplement such as hepatosyl, hepaticare, or protexin denamarin. I have ordered some, but it's nearly £60 for a month's supply (unless I'm reading the dosage wrong) So £750 a year??

So, what I'm really wondering - is it worth the cost? Would just a cheaper milk thistle supplement have the same effect? Does anyone have any experience?. Searching online, scientific evidence for effectiveness seems sketchy. Obviously, I don't want our much-loved Daisy to be in any discomfort or unhappy and would treat as required. However, she's 14 years old and parts of her will start to wear out - just as they do in us, so what I really want to know is whether expensive liver supplements at this age are going to improve her quality of life enough or if there are alternatives we can give?

Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Hi Emma, one of my puppy owners had a Labrador with liver and kidney problems, so I asked her about how her girl was treated, this is what she's put as a reply for you xx

Hi Emma sorry to hear about your Daisy. Speaking from experience as I too had a beautiful lab that was diagnosed with liver & kidney issues. The liver supplements are very important and our girl was on hepatosyl plus milk thistle, the cheapest place at the time was petwell for these drugs . What youíve got to remember is that any drug Daisy is given, even a wormer has to go through the liver & this can upset it so thatís why the support drugs work & they do work trust me . Our girl had to have blood test regularly & the support drugs showed they worked regarding her ALT levels , it even surprised our vet as he was a bit sceptical at the time but that soon changed , so money well spent . If the liver isnít working right then the only way to describe how she will feel , is the equivalent of you and I having the mother of all hangovers our vet said .
Right the kidneys . I personally would give her a renal diet now as just because sheís at stage 1 that could change Iím afraid to say quicker than you think . By starting it now will be easier as they loose there appetite when they have problems with there kidneys later on so hopefully the changeover will be easier to be done now . We used Eukanuba renal diet ( cheapest place for that was Waitrose website ) , was the only one Poppy liked & I did try them with her & my god I could totally understand why she wouldnít touch the others lol . I take it you will have to give the vet a urine sample every every few weeks so he can keep an eye on the concentration levels . I hope this is of help & if you need any more advice , please donít hesitate to ask . Rachael xx
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Thank you so much both for taking the time to reply.

Because Daisy is in otherwise 'good health' for a dog of her age I'm certainly reluctant to not bother with any treatment at all. I completely understand your decision John as it sounds like Amy has other issues going on. Daisy, although slowing down and losing some muscle mass around her hind quarters, is still in pretty good shape - she enjoyed long walks on the beach during our Christmas break in Cornwall and mustered up the energy to chase the seagulls! She has daily walks with our 3 year old lab and whilst her pace is much slower these days, is still enthusiastic about getting out...and still jumps around like zeberdee at breakfast and dinner time (and throughout any visit to the vet's surgery....in anticipation of all the fuss and the treats she gets given!).

Rachael - thank you ever so much for your detailed advice - was your dog an older dog? Did the supplements seem to improve her energy levels and vitality?

I do agree in terms of the change of diet - I thought it odd that the vet said not to bother for now, but I wonder if it's best to get her used to the propalin and any supplements first before changing diet too (otherwise we won't know which is causing any adverse reactions, if any!) She's been on Burns all her life which is a good quality food suitable for senior dogs as I understand (the protein levels aren't too high), so it will be a gradual changeover rather than a rush change, I think.

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Rach is going to see if she can join the forum so she can reply to you Emma, or if you're on facebook I can put you in touch with her xx
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