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Hunter1 05-07-2016 10:27 PM

Switching from Kibble to BARF - advice wanted from BARF owners please!!
 
Hello all, firstly, my apologies for posting this as I am sure it may have been covered quite a bit.

We are currently feeding our pup on kibble but considering switching to BARF, after reading up on it from a few sources.

The reason that we are considering switching is due to the following.

We brought our pup home at just over 12 weeks, the 2nd or 3rd night we had him home he had diarrhoea really bad which then had bits of blood in it. We got him to the vets and they put him on a course of metronidazole followed by a course of probiotic paste.

The vets also advised us to mix some cooked rice with his meals to help form his poos. We took the decision to remove the rice as it was coming out as it went in! His poos did start forming but have been very inconsistent in that some will be quite well formed and then they will be creamy. His poos have now been inconsistent for a couple of weeks.

He is back at the vets tomorrow morning for this reason and also that in a number of poos today they have been thoroughly littered with what looks like tiny grains of rice (I mean a lot!!) he has had full courses of worming and flea treatments, so unsure if it is the aftermath of the treatment or whether some cheeky type of worm has slipped past the treatment. He had his last dose 2 weeks ago.

So this had added to us wanting to go au naturel and give him BARF, we have read from a source (Lab owner and breeder) to just go full turkey onto the BARF, but to start with one type of protein and then after set time add a 2nd type of protein etc etc. We have read that he should get around 10% of his bodyweight, which in Hunters case would be 1.1KG as he is 11KG. (If my maths is correct!?) now is that per day or is that per meal. We were thinking of starting him on 3x times a day due to age and then down to 2x a day once he is older.

Any help or advice from owners who feed their labs on BARF would be much appreciated and I thank you for taking the time to read. I also hope that this makes sense!

Regards.

fiz 05-07-2016 11:14 PM

Hi and welcome to you and Hunter.

I haven't voted as not a real barf feeder [only a chicken wing now and again for a treat;) ].

Hopefully one of the barf feeders will come on and give you some help soon.

Hunter sounds like quite a chunky pupster at 11 kg already so looking forward to a picture when you get a chance.

I do agree about stopping the rice, for some it can be hard to digest,the little grains could be a sign of worms that have been expelled if the worming treatment has worked so I wouldn't be too worried about that.

I wonder if worms have caused the upset tum though, and also I would hope your vet has done a test on poo to see if there is any bacteria or Campylobacter infection causing runny and upset tummy as this would need treatment before you introduce anything new.

Good luck with the barf feeding when you have sorted poor boy out though, will be interested in hearing how you get on.

Oh and PICS' please ;)

June x

ttfan1978 05-07-2016 11:40 PM

Is the vet certain that his tummy has healed? My pup had giardia and we were advised it can be tricky to clear it however first course of treatment sorted it.

Could it be possible that he is being fed too much as that can cause loose stools?

I have read your other post and see you're using beta puppy food, according to all about dog food website that is actaully worse quality than bakers and pedigree. I really don't understand 'breeders' that don't research the food they give to their pups.

http://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog...py-large-breed

I know you are keen on the raw but if my pup was on beta he/she would be getting moved to something else a lot better quality.

Before even considering changing his diet I would be making sure his tum is better first incase he has got worms or giardia etc

Hunter1 05-07-2016 11:42 PM

June, many thanks for your response, Hunter is a little over 16weeks old now and weighs in at 11kg, do you think that is quite heavy!? He looks like he will definately be a big chap when older. We read somewhere that a rough guideline is 1kg per week old but I am sure that is nonsense!?? He is quite big at the minute but healthy looking and I think he is quite bloated as feels quite gassy and bloated. Hoping the vet does tests tomorrow as they asked for us to take samples in. I think that was on there notes as follow up treatment!! Should it not improve dramatically. His poos at the minute are not watery but a mixture, some are creamy some are formed!! Will see what the vet says tomorrow!!

Hunter1 05-07-2016 11:47 PM

Ttfan, many thanks for your response, I was starting to wonder if Beta may be the cause of some of it.
I was going to hold off on changing until seen the vet and ensured no underlying issue.
Now have 14kg of Beta that need to get rid of, hoping to dig the receipt out and take it back to the shop as they informed us that should any food not be suitable then we can take it back!!

John_n_Gemma 06-07-2016 12:03 AM

Hi Hunter. I went through the same with puppy Gemma, permanently loose stools, often mucus'y and sometimes with blood for weeks and weeks until I changed her kibble. The difference was practically overnight! You wouldn't be the first person I've heard tempted to move to RAW/BARF after one or two bad experience with kibble, but personally I feel it's a little knee-jerky given there is such a vast choice of really good, all natural kibbles out there. But stuff you're unlikely to find in a supermarket which tend to be racks of cheap mass-market junk kibbles.

Even a close friend did this, tried his puppy on Bakers kibble (cheap filth for want of a better description) and based on that one experience alone decided kibble didn't suit and switched to pre-packed raw.

Gemma has done great on fish4dogs and millies wolfheart kibbles. Fish4dogs only sell direct online. Millies you might find in the odd specialist pet store but ordering direct is the easiest way to go. fish4dogs do 1.5kg small sample bags with a no-quibble money back guarantee. Millies do small sample sizes too but without the money-back offer (I think?).

Sorry that hasn't really answered your question re BARF advice, it's a personal choice and kudos to you for whatever choice you make.

fiz 06-07-2016 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Hunter1 (Post 1841441)
June, many thanks for your response, Hunter is a little over 16weeks old now and weighs in at 11kg, do you think that is quite heavy!? He looks like he will definately be a big chap when older. We read somewhere that a rough guideline is 1kg per week old but I am sure that is nonsense!?? He is quite big at the minute but healthy looking and I think he is quite bloated as feels quite gassy and bloated. Hoping the vet does tests tomorrow as they asked for us to take samples in. I think that was on there notes as follow up treatment!! Should it not improve dramatically. His poos at the minute are not watery but a mixture, some are creamy some are formed!! Will see what the vet says tomorrow!!

No I wouldn't think he is too heavy, and yes I found my girl put on an average of 1 kg per week up to approx 6/7 months then it slowed down and was steady for a long time, wish I could say she is a slim girl now though, something went wrong last couple of years and she has quite a few pounds to shed [we are weight watching as I type;) ], must add she is 71/2 now, but that is no excuse:(.

Hopefully the vet can establish whats going on with the tests, it may be his food if he is a bit windy/bloated, or there may be infection requiring treatment, as said already its not unusual for pups to get these infections early on, and they do sometimes take a while to clear up.

I found a tspn of Priobotic Natural Yoghurt did help and small amounts of light meals fish/chicken, maybe mashed potato instead of rice, 3/4 small meals a day, until poos firm up, plus the Prokolin from vet.

June x

rubyrubyruby 06-07-2016 01:56 PM

I wouldn't necessarily say going raw will solve the problems your puppy has. Personally I think I would be looking for a better quality kibble than the one you are using!

Chloe

Hunter1 06-07-2016 01:57 PM

Hello all, Hunter has been to the vets and they are doing tests on 2 stool samples which I took. One had tapeworm eggs / larvae in it and the other from this morning looked clear.

The vet has put him on a 7 day course of panacur to really clear him out and has advised us to switch his food so now trying him on Royal Canin. Hopefully his poos will start forming.

I also spoke to the vet with regards to switching to BARF and they have said that they would not recommend it but said that we could mix a bit of raw food in with his meals if we wanted.

It all comes down to difference of opinion I think, because you could ask 10 people the best thing to feed puppies / dogs on and you could probably get 10 different answers!!

ttfan1978 06-07-2016 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunter1 (Post 1841505)
Hello all, Hunter has been to the vets and they are doing tests on 2 stool samples which I took. One had tapeworm eggs / larvae in it and the other from this morning looked clear.

The vet has put him on a 7 day course of panacur to really clear him out and has advised us to switch his food so now trying him on Royal Canin. Hopefully his poos will start forming.

I also spoke to the vet with regards to switching to BARF and they have said that they would not recommend it but said that we could mix a bit of raw food in with his meals if we wanted.

It all comes down to difference of opinion I think, because you could ask 10 people the best thing to feed puppies / dogs on and you could probably get 10 different answers!!


At least now you know what the problem is and hopefully the panacur will clear it up.
Have you looked at www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk ?

Royal canin isn't too good either, everyone has their own opinions on what is the 'best' food however the site above lists all the ingredients in the vast majority of foods available.

There are many good foods available to choose from, some look expensive however a good quality food will probably work out cheaper as feeding portions are generally smaller.



http://www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk/dog...in-giant-puppy

just one of the royal canin puppy foods, not good at all and very expensive


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