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Old 29-02-2016, 08:29 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello all

Thanks to all those that have commented with advice on Monty sleeping through the night-we think we've broken the back of it and he's now not waking us up which is great.

Since we got Monty last summer we've always noticed he has a sensitive stomach. He often has flare ups of diarrhoea which I'm convinced are food related as he's always happy in himself and as soon as we put him on pasta and chicken, it clears up. He's not much of a forager. When off lead he's very good and always with ten metres or so and pretty good at our 'leave it' command.

I've therefore come to the conclusion that I think we need to change his food. He's a healthy weight for and 8 month old and has a good appetite but the last bout of diarrhoea meant we had to very slowly reintegrate kibble again over a week. It seems one week out of three, he's on pasta of some kind.

Monty's food history:
-breeder food was wagg
-we moved him onto Wainwrights puppy but he again had bouts of wet poo
-then moved him into the grain free version
-he's been on pro plan sensitive digestion for puppies since November but I still think this isn't sitting well with him
(I should note the above changes were done very slowly over his 8 months and we didn't switch him over every day!)

He eats happily and without problems:
-chicken wings (raw)
-duck necks (raw)
-pasta and fish or chicken
-chopped sweet potato
-muller rice in kongs!
-the occasional jam donut (I know, I know)
-marrowbone

However, he has reacted with runny tummy on:
-liver and kidney
-raw oxtail
-lamb (raw or cooked)
-cheese

I'm completely at a loss on what to move him into. I've read that high protein diets are good but because he's reacted with diarrhoea on rich proteins I'm concerned this won't work for him.

I've got the link to the dog food database but I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking for. A high review doesn't necessarily mean it'll work for Monty.

Any ideas or suggestions gratefully received!
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Old 29-02-2016, 09:12 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Dog food and which one to buy is probably the one thing that has given me a headache since our pack increased to three, finding on that suited all did take quite sometime.

We ended up on MWH 2 years ago, have tried Salmon and veg, then Tracker, then Riverside, all worked with keeping tummys good.

We are just this last week back on the Salmon and veg, they go a little soft at the bum end for 2/3 days then output is really nice and firm, not smelly and they all look pretty good on it.

Hope that helps.

One thing that did upset Mischa last week for a day or two was the Advocate I think, I only usually apply it every 3 months for all 3 dogs and she went a bit runny on the 2nd day of application.

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Old 29-02-2016, 09:15 AM   #3 (permalink)
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You're doing bits already, so why not go the whole hog (pun intended!) and do raw!
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Thanks both. June, good to hear you've had success with MWH. I'm considering ringing the freephone number and talking it through with them but I'm whincing at the prices! I work for Nestle so get the pro plan subsidised from work. 50 a bag seems expensive but I guess it'll be worth it if he firms up for good!

Phil, I hear you!! I've considered it but I'm so confused by it! We measure everything Monty had and as such, he's a good weight. I'm worried about what to give him and the potential cost of it!
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We also use Millies food and it suits Cola perfectly. We have tried a few of them and she loves them all, the only one that I found caused her to have a wee bit softer poo was the Turkey, she loved it but after discussions with staff at Millies it was decided that maybe the single source protein was just a bit rich.

We have been using ranger now for around 3 months and everything has been perfect. Not all the bags are 50, some are cheaper and you will find a little goes a long way

Cola is now on the adult portion size as recommended by them so gets 280g a day. It works out at just shy of 1 a day to feed her so I am more than happy with that. The feeding portions are smaller than other brands so it does work out level or even cheaper than some of the not so good quality brands.

It would be worth giving them a call to find out what food would be best and you can get some 700g samples to try or even small 4kg bags
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I was the same as you about the price, however when I calculated the amount my lot ate a day it worked out less than my budget for feeding the 3 of em.

As I buy bulk [6 bags] it is even better, my budget was 3 per day for 3 dogs, I am paying 2.64 p day on MWH for them now.

I realise it isn't practical for you to buy 87kg at a time for one dog, but depending how much Monty needs per day I think if you work out the figures its not too bad.

By the way thats why I got a headache when deciding on which food, the calculator was red hot by the time I had done my homework.

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Old 29-02-2016, 10:44 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I've posted before singing the praises of Markus Murhle Natur Nar but I can't help myself as Mason is doing so well on it.

When Mason was a pup we couldn't keep him firm. He was alway soft and had regular bouts of colitis.

He came from the breeder with Purina Beta but this was going straight through him.
We tried Skinners puppy which initially he seemed to do well on but as soon as I bought the large sack he develops colitis and was back on chicken.

We then tried Burns but again after a short while it was going straight through him.

We then tried Wainwrite's with no joy.

We then went for Chappie kibble and this really settled him but the makers of Chappie told me it was not for a dog as young as Mason was.

So we moved over to Arden Grange which Mason seemed to handle quite well but it was still a bit of a tight rope keeping him firm.

I then read about cold pressed dog kibble and thought I'd give it a try. So glad I did as Mason is thriving on it. I always get remarks about his healthy coat.

If you put cold pressed kibble and normal kibble in a glass of water the cold pressed will sink and gradually dissolved while the normal kibble will float and swell up before breaking down. I know what I'd prefer in my stomach

Here's a video showing what I mean;
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Phil, I hear you!! I've considered it but I'm so confused by it! We measure everything Monty had and as such, he's a good weight. I'm worried about what to give him and the potential cost of it!
It's not as tricky as you might think, have a read of the posts on here and there's a facebook group 'rawfeeding rebels', between them you'll get all the info you need.

I have 2 raw fed labs, a 2 year old boy (29kg) who's been raw fed now for about 18 months, and a 4 month old girl (I'm not sure of her weight as I just go by eye), they're both getting about 800g of meat per day. Since I went up to 2 dogs I've been keeping a track of what I spend on food for them, just for my own records really, and looking back now since mid January it's been costing me 15 per week for the 2 of them, so about 60 per month.

It's recommended you feed 2-3% of body weight per day, so maybe start at 2.5% and then up or down depending on if they need to gain or lose, my 2 year old has been on 800g (just over 2.5%) now for a long time, and he's been a steady 29kg for well over 12 months now, he's on the lean side which is how I like him but just keep an eye on them and adjust accordingly.

I get everything from a butcher on my local market, I'm probably lucky in what I can get from them but there's also loads of online places that will deliver direct to your door!

They get a combination of different things depending on what the butcher has in when I go - Minced green tripe, minced beef (butchers own pet mince), minced chicken, ox heart, pig heart, lamb heart, chicken heart, ox cheek, beef rib, lamb rib, trotter, pig tail, chicken wings, chicken drumsticks, chicken carcass, ox tail, lamb shoulder, basically any cheap cuts of meat that are left over once us humans have taken away the nice fillets!

I also feed veg (which some may debate) carrots, cabbage, spinach, swede, parsnip, broccoli, what ever raw veg we have left at the end of the week gets thrown in the blender! They get about 50g of that once per day, normally with their breakfast.

Why do I feed raw? Well I see kibble as a meat (in pretty low quantities) that's been processed beyond all recognition, and then they add fillers and vitamins to it to make it complete once again! Would I feed my kids processed food everyday, no, so I don't with my dogs either. I'm not on a high horse about it, I've fed kibble and pretty rubbish stuff too in the past, but I'm now much more aware about what I eat, my kids, my dogs.

Kibble is much more convenient, just pour out of the bag twice a day. Green tripe stinks and you'll get blood all over your kitchen butchering an ox heart! Everyone can make up their own mind!
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Another Millies user here. When I was looking for a new food I set up a spreadsheet to list feeding quantities, sack price, how long it would last and daily cost.
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Old 29-02-2016, 02:05 PM   #10 (permalink)
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OK, so I've chatted with the good people at MWH and (despite husband's view that they are biased cos they are selling something) I found the woman to be very helpful.

She said Monty may have food intolerances that he develops quickly when he has the same food for a long time and we therefore may need to change him every 2-3 months. This does tie in with the pattern of him being really fine and firm for a few months and then a catalogue of whippy poos for seemingly no reason (and vet checked no illness).

Paddy, I looked at the Markus Murhle Natur Nar after your recommendation and they do seem to be very well recommended. I think the video speaks for itself! I'm only slightly put off by not being able to keep in an airtight concealer and the smell?

Phil, I defo think we can up Monty's raw diet but I'm not sure I'm ready for 100% commitment. I think I might play the field a little more! I'm not good with prepping meat for us, let alone offal etc for the dog. However, I've read morrisons do a good selection of pre packaged offal and bones so I might investigate and perhaps remove 1 meal (he still has 3) and replace with raw?

So I think I'm going to go down MFH. The lady recommended Utility Mix as it's the mildest and fish based so easy to digest. However, if this food intolerance thing does mean we need to change him regularly then I definitely think the cold pressed kibble will be my next try.

I get a delivery tomorrow so will update you on his constitution then!
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