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Old 14-02-2016, 11:07 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I'm currently having a hard time trying to find a suitable food for my 7 month old lab, he's a healthy weight, & will eat anything
When we got him he was on skinners field & trial puppy, but as I'm the kind of person who researches everything I do. After a while I decided the best dry food I could buy for him was Millie's wolfheart countryside mix, after while I decided to move him over to their tracker mix, as he's not a working dog, & he was always full of energy so I figured it could be too much protein for his activity level. Recently I've been doing more research found that to much protein, calcium & phosphorous is bad for growing pups & all those things are especially high in millies, & worried that I may have or be causing him future health issues, I spoke to a few friends that have had lots more experience & they agreed it was also not good & to change over to burns alert, which I thought well I can't loose with this as it's cheaper, made to keep dogs calmer & possibly better for him. So I've done this gradually again, however he's now mental, I thought he had lots of energy before but now he's super hyper all the time which is opposite to what I thought would happen, so now I'm at a total loss, it's such a minefeild I just don't know what to try next, I'm happy to spend up to 50 or 60 a month on food for him if that helps anyone with their suggestions for him. I'm well read up on the barf diet to but I'm not in a position to do this just yet, though I get pet sticks occasionally for the local butcher.

I look forward to your help, this is driving me crazy, I'm just going round in circles, so many contradictions ?

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Old 14-02-2016, 11:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Just to add I'm considering moving back to millies as he's was doing very well on it, though I can't see what his bones are doing. But I'm hoping someone may have some input on whether high protein, calcium & phos is actually bad for a puppy.
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I changed from Burns Alert to MWH. From what I understand it is the energy from carbs which can make a dog seem hyper but the protein from meat is a good quality protein that doesn't have that effect. Also remember that at 7 months your boy isn't converting as much food into growing energy so he will have extra energy left over for working. Dogs become much more challenging around this age and you really need to step up the training. You need to stimulate their brain more, build your bond with them and limit their play with other dogs. (speaking as someone who got it wrong!)
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I'm thinking of trying the millies obedience mix as it seems to have a lower calcium & phosphate amount.
I'd be glad to hear other people's opinions
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Old 15-02-2016, 08:32 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Hi. I feed my two dogs Millies. I would give the company a call and ask them to recommend the best food for a 7 month old. I feed my spaniel Tracker because she needs to be on a low fat food due to pancreatitis, however I would personally be feeding a puppy something with a higher fat quantity. Yes, food is important for a puppy's growth but exercise, more importantly over-exercise, is also a major factor in their development and potential bone and joint issues.

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Old 15-02-2016, 10:01 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Don't over think and analyse things! If he's happy on a food then leave him on it?

A 7 month old puppy that's full of energy is nothing to do with food, it's just the way lab pups are and you've only got another 3 or 4 years before they calm a little! As mentioned, at that age they start to get a bit more independent, rebellious, and you just need to help him focus in the right ways.
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Have just checked MWH recommendations for 7 month puppy and they suggest, - Salmon, Countryside, Riverside or Obedience.

I do agree with what has been said already that the behaviour you describe sounds typical for the age.

Also something I noticed when our girl was an adolescent pup is she was much calmer than some of similar age, at the time I put this down to her adjustment to us rather than her age we had no young children our home was reasonably quiet, we were retired and home most of time although not interacting with her all the time.
She had little training /exercises then rest times, we made a deliberate point of giving her space on her own as we didn't want her to get used to having us available 24/7 as our previous dogs had happily got used to their own company when we worked, so wanted our girl to be happy with her own company for different times each day.

I do agree that over exercise and tiredness can help make them hyper, also some treats could possibly have something in that gets them buzzing, bit like kids and smarties, just a thought, I think there always will be either calm/hyper/or just laid back pups/dogs because of their genes, the same as humans.

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Thankyou for all you advice, it's just good to get some re assurance really. I'm going to put him on obedience now, he wasn't on tracker for very long. I love his energy & bounce, wouldn't change it for the world, but that burns alert was like I'd given him a bowl of sugar lol. I try to limit his exercise not to overstress his joints, he's crate trained & has his own space but he also comes to work with me where he also has a crate
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My girl is 11 months and has been on Millies since she was 9 weeks old. Have you tried phoning them? They are extremely helpful and would be able to offer you great advice about which of their foods would be best. As others have said swapping foods around too often isn't really ideal. It is best to try one and if its working for your boy then to stick with it.

Labs are excitable, hyper and bouncy especially when they are young. Millies is a brilliant food and I have not had any concerns about it making my girl hyper. They have some great info on their site about protein etc which is worth reading through but phoning them may also be helpful.

If he is really hyper then doing some mental training with him may be beneficial, I often play games and things with Cola and have some great books with different brain games in.

I was at my vet surgery a few months ago and was asked what food I fed Cola, when I told them about Millies Wolfheart they had never heard of it and actually asked if I wanted to buy their Hills stuff!

This is a great site www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk
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I don't like puppy food, there is no "Children food" so why should puppies need it? There is no puppy food in the wild, nor was there any puppy food for the first 40 years of my keeping dogs. When I get a pup I normally get a bag of what the breeder was feeding, feed it for a couple of weeks, then start adding some of the adult food my adult dog is eating, gradually increasing the amount of adult until my the time the puppy food is finished it's all adult.

But don't "Over Think" the food Dogman89, if your dog is doing well on a food that's what matters. Remember, every dog food manufacturer is trying to convince you that his is best.

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