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Old 13-11-2015, 02:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi, both Hailey (almost 3 yrs old) and Mia (17 months old) eat Acana Lamb & Apple, both seem to be doing well, poop is of good size and firm, coat is nice. Only issue is ears are continuously dirty that they need to be cleaned once a week to keep infections at bay!

In April/May while on RC Maxi they got their first ear infections, changed to Orijen Six Fish or Acana Pacifica depending on what was available but keep getting recurring ear infections that require 10 days of antibiotics every month. Beginning of September we've changed them over to Lamb & Apple and the ears improved greatly but not completely. Last few weeks noted that both girls are somehow itchy, example Mia would be walking and stop mid way to scratch her underside. We do add kefir or greek yogurt to help with yeast, coconut oil and omega 3 gel capsules daily.

Now my local pet store, just got this new food in stock and on paper it looks quite good but we are worried about the high level of protein. This brand has other flavors but all are in the same high levels region. We haven't got it yet as still have more than 7 kgs of Acana left. Would appreciate any insight on the ingredients prior to going out and trying it out.

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Here's the label


Composition: reindeer meat meal (28%), wild boar meat meal (22%), yellow peas (20%), chicken fat (preserved with tocophe - rols, 9%), duck meal (6%), chicken liver (3%), apples (3%), tapioca starch (3%), salmon oil (2%), carrots (1%), flaxseed (1%), chickpeas (1%), hydrolyzed crustacean shells (a source of glucosamine, 0,026%), cartilage extract (a source of chondroitin, 0,016%), brewer“s yeast (a source of mannan-oligosaccharides, 0,015%), chicory root (a source of fructo-oligosaccharides, 0,01%), yucca schidigera (0,01%), algae (0,01%), psyllium (0,01%), thyme (0,01%), rosemary (0,01%), orega - no (0,01%), cranberries (0,0008%), blueberries (0,0008%), raspberries (0,0008%).

Nutritional composition: vitamin A (E672) 20 000 IU vitamin D 3 (E671) 1 500 IU vitamin E (α-tocopherol) (3a700) 400 mg zinc (E6) 85 mg iron (E1) 70 mg manganese (E5) 35 mg iodine (E2) 0,65 mg copper (E4) 15 mg selenium (3b8.10) 0,25 mg

Analytical ingredients in 1 kg: crude protein 38,0 % fat content 18,0 % crude ash 8,2 % crude fibre 2,5 % moisture 10,0 % calcium 1,8 % phosphorus 1,5 %
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Old 13-11-2015, 02:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It is a high protein you are right, I personally would not feed my dog a food with such amounts.
Also I notice the fat content is a whopping 18%!
I always think that if you are feeding a perfectly balanced and complete food there is no need to add any supplements (I can understand why some people do, for things such as joint health) but sometimes you can actually upset the balance of vitamins and minerals in a food and cause upset whether it be stomach or skin issues.

At 3 years and 17 months both having ear infections it is very unusual at such a young age and for them both to have them :S

My first thought would be an allergy of some sort, so I suppose this food may be good as it contains quite rare protein sources such as the reindeer and boar
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I agree, I wouldn't feed 38% protein and the fat content is at higher levels. I suspect this is not a British made food, as we don't really have high levels of reindeer or wild boar in this country !!
I would also be concerned about the number of different foods they have been given over such short space of time! I would probably stick with what you have for longer, certainly finish the 7kg you have left!

Has you vet given you any thoughts on what they ear problem could be do to with ?

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The brand is from Czech Republic called Carnilove. The high protein levels is present in all range so not much choice there. As to the high fat level even Acana is around 16-17% fat. To feed less fat and less protein for us (we're in Malta) means going for less quality food.

Re-ears issue, vets says it's yeast that could be due to our humid climate, from swimming or depending on food. We already went down from 33% protein (Orijen) to the 27% Acana lamb & apple and although the ears are still dirty but since switching we have not encountered infections.

Will definitely finish of Acana first as we're not seeing any issues for an immediate change like on orijen.

The too many changes within months and the protein issue is worrying me.
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I would be aiming to ascertain if the ear infections are diet related or otherwise. If you prior fed another food when dogs were absent of ear infections I would reintroduce that & monitor ears alongside any treatment vet suggests. If no further repetition of issues then look to avoid any food they were on when ears infected.

I know of the champion dog foods acana & orijen but don't know the other food mentioned.

High protein foods in themselves not an issue for me or mine - currently on Akela Fish 80/20 & dog seems healthy & happy enough now into second bag.

Diet, nutrition & supplements can be an issue with health but just as with humans, simply changing diet doesnt cure all ailments. If that was the case there would be little need for doctors or vets to treat the many illnesses out there.

I might be looking at the home environment, bedding, carpet condition , allergic fibres, mites etc....I would also consider access to any local water source, (stagnent water stream). Are dogs in a humid, damp or over warm setting such as a heated but badly ventilated/insulated extension/back house.

Not suggesting you are feeding improper food or dogs have poor living conditions but thinking wider than mere diet.
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The ear tar from http://www.fenlandforager.co.uk/herb...ts-for-animals has some excellent reviews and I know that he is able to send things overseas. If you join the facebook group he might be able to suggest something for the yeast problem too.

A good quality protein shouldn't be causing the problem, I would have thought that grains would be more likely to be the culprit. Why not try a fish and potato variety to see if it makes any difference?

I hope you get it sorted too, it can't be much fun for the poor dogs.
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I don't like high protein foods. But probably more important are the supplements. Complete foods are just that, complete. They are a balanced food, balanced in that they contain all of everything your dog needs. By adding supplements to it you are in fact unbalancing it.

Yes ok, if a person has a problem, maybe a joint problem then a small amount of a particular supplement could well help. But for a normal healthy dog, no, you could be doing more harm than good. As in the old saying, "Killing with kindness!"

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