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Old 22-09-2015, 09:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi there. I have some questions about cooking for your dog...

when we picked our pup up at the breeders, he sold us his own dog food. He apparently formulated it especially for labs and has it made for him and sells it directly. We went ahead and bought a lot to stock up and only later realized it isn't really agreeing with him! he had very soft stools, etc etc...

a month later he had 2 bouts of giardia and the vet put him no a special intestinal junior kibble from royal canine brand. was supposed to support his tummy issues. it did but I have read a lot about NOT feeding kibble in teh long run...

we then got the recommendation from another vet, after going to him for the pups limping issues, that he gets a really great diet of dried food from the company Vet Concept. He seems to like that good but again... its dried kibble

Our physio told us that dried kibble on a daily basis would be like us eating a bag of potato chips on a daily basis. She suggested cooking for him and if we dont have time to cook, then the wet canned stuff would be better than the dry kibble.

I have read a lot against kibble... and a lot about cooking for dogs.

We recently made a big batch of chicken hearts, livers and chicken stock with rice and green beans adn potatoes and he LOVED IT. He totally devoured it.

I also grind up an eggshell into fine powder and sprinkle on 1/2 teaspoon a day for his calcium

My question is...

I would like to keep cooking for him, but I am having trouble finding out information about how much he should eat a day. He is 6 months old so he is growing and I do know that this is the crucial time for him to have a great diet, so I do want to make sure I am feeding him properly!

We feed him 3 x a day. He is on the skinnier side and needs to beef up a bit.

Currently we feed him about 250g of cooked food 3 x a day and he is not gaining much extra weight. He weighs 18 kg so this is already about 10% of his body weight?

If anyone has any advice that would be greatly appreciated!
(the vet was not very enthusiastic about cooking for him so I can not get too much info out of him about quantity! but I am looking for another vet! just have to wait for a new appointment, not so easy!)
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Old 22-09-2015, 10:10 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm sure you'll get a lot of advice here from those who feed raw, I don't so can't help with that. i think some vets can be a bit suspicious about raw feeding.

Anyway, that's not very helpful and hasn't answered your question, I really only replied because I feed kibble to my lot and know a lot of others who do too, and it is possible to find a decent quality kibble which is not like eating potato chips daily. Lol.

So do plenty research and then decide what you think is best for YOUR dog.
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Old 22-09-2015, 10:20 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Omg your puppy has been through a lot of different foods in a short space of time!

I can't answer questions about cooking for your dog as I don't have the time or energy to do that! You are right that you need to make sure you are giving your puppy the right amount of everything to ensure good growth and development.

However, I don't think it is possible to group all kibbles together as being a bad thing. Yes, there is some pretty rubbish dry kibble out there, but there is also some pretty poor wet dog food too (no names mentioned, Pedigree chum!).

I feed, what I consider to be, a good quality grain free kibble. It doesn't contain any fillers like beet pulp or 'animal/meat derivatives', God only knows what goes into that! If you look around you can find good quality kibble but you can't expect to find that on your local supermarket shelves, you will need to order online and get it delivered. I pay around 40 for 12kg bag.

Hopefully someone will be able to help you with your questions about cooking food for your dog but I think you will find most people feed a kibble on here and some feed raw.

Hope this helps.

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thanks so much to both of you!
you are right, there is also good quality kibble. Apparently the last one he was on, from a company called Vet Concepts is one of the best you can get here, and well... it is Vet recommended perhaps they make commission off of selling it to you or something, but he does like it. I just wish I could feed him more goodness more often, because he LOVES cooked chicken and livers etc. He goes insane when he hears the pots and pans coming out of the cupboard! he knows its or him! haha...

Perhaps there is a good mix of cooked food and kibble too?
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As others have said your pup has had a lot of foods in a short space of time, that can be a lot for a wee tummy to handle.

There are a lot of really good kibbles available and it just depends on what you want from a food. I feed a good quality one to my pup who is 6.5 months old that has nothing but goodness and no fillers and am 100% happy with it.

Just remember though that just because a vet recommends a food it doesnte mean that its good quality. There is a great site here in the UK that gives advice and ratings for different foods and gives info about what is in each one. It is very useful www.allaboutdogfood.co.uk

I don't have any knowledge about raw feeding or specific feeding for my dog but she does sometimes get meat or occasionally raw bones in addition to her kibble. There will be others here that may be able to offer advice about raw.

Ps Vets do make commission on the food A vet would be the last person I would personally get advice from about feeding.
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Why bother cooking it?

I feed raw, a variety of different meats, bones and veg. The guidelines for raw are 10% of current puppy weight, or 2-3% of projected adult weight, I'd imagine they're very similar for home made cooked food. But you should also go off the dogs condition, there's loads of charts showing where you should have a tuck and see ribs, etc, to judge their weight.
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One other point - Eggs! Given them a whole one, no need to grind them up, they have teeth for that!
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Yes, I am sure you could use good quality kibble and cooked food if you wanted to.

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You can feed anything you like in any combination you like he's your dog no one elses!

Interestingly scientific trials actually found dogs fed on a good quality kibble lived longer so I'm not sure why your vet is anti-kibble you would have thought coming from a science background he/she would be able to filter out the nonsense that gets bandied about!

Dogs seem to prefer wet food probably because it smells better and they're led by the nose I've never known a dog choose kibble when offered both at the same time but that's about preference. I have used kibble, canned and home-cooked with my dogs over the years and personally find canned easiest.

If you feed raw or feed cooked (personally I detest raw feeding for health and safety reasons) then you need to ensure your dog gets a range of nutrients. Kibble is dried and concentrated food you cook yourself is not there is a lot more water in it and its less calorie dense so you will need to feed a larger quantity than you would kibble however 250g depending on how much was protein and how much carb sounds ok, perhaps add in an extra meal a day while you put some weight on him (remembering that staying lean is good for labs joints so don't overdo it). Ensure you introduce new foods slowly as they may not be tolerated and ensure you know which human foods are toxic to dogs e.g. onion, raisins, chocolate - you definitely don't want to be giving him those!

To summarise there is no one *correct* diet you should feed whatever he enjoys and does not upset his tummy and that you are comfortable feeding and can afford.

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I do not grind the eggs of course I grind the egg shell, as it is a great source of calcium
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