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Old 05-08-2015, 09:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sorry, Mrs indecisive here again!

I'm still struggling to decide on the next food for my two.

Turkey, rabbit or non-smelly fish are our only options due to Coco's allergies. I would like to feed both dogs the same food.

Coco - 24kg - fat storer, tends to put weight on easily and could lose 1.5kg ideally
Griffin - 25kg - far too energetic!, a bit on the skinny side.

I have looked at Wainwrights either Turkey & Rice or grain free (can't find the feeding quantities online), Skinners Turkey & Rice, Millies Wolfheart Turkey & Veg.

But, the Skinners and Millies are both working dog foods is this going to give Griffin even more energy? Because of his behaviour I can't take him for off lead runs at the moment so I don't want to give him any more energy than necessary.

Millies turkey is 75% meat, 25% veg, 35% protein, 366 calories per 100g (recommended amount 275g per day).

I appreciate that working dog foods are aimed at just that - dogs who need extra energy to work. Are they best avoided with non-working dogs? I don't want ASBO dog to act like he's been drinking red bull.

I've always tried to go low on protein before but there was a suggestion on here recently that said carbs were probably worse than a higher protein.
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https://www.millieswolfheart.co.uk/Protein/

Some advice about protein i feed Millies and Cola is not a working dog,I know at least 5 other people who feed their non working dogs Millies food.

Cola is certainly not hyper or has needed and asbo yet
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Pam as you know my 3 are on MWH Riverside, they aren't over active, I would say quite the reverse.

The degree of energy they have probably depends alot on age [mine are 6 1/2, 7 1/2 and 10], to be honest most of the day they are all either laying about in the garden or indoors, depending on the weather, they do get excited when its walky time then when we get out they just plod along quietly, off lead they don't seem too hooley about as much as they used to.

Not sure about your chances of calming Griffin for sometime to come as he is a young and healthy lad still playing the field and pushing boundaries, so food probably won't do much about his energy levels, have you considered taking him for a swim if you have a pond or water somewhere nearby.

Mischa has always been my livewire but she has a ligament injury so she has to have controlled lead walking at moment with two Hydro treadmill sessions a week, this has certainly helped to take the edge off her urge to hooley, quite unusual for her but I am liking the nice walks with them all.

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I know that Griffin is pre-programmed to be lively - I got him to do flyball and agility. I just don't want to give him a food that will boost his energy levels and send him hyper.

Interestingly I found something on the www last night that said corn could cause some dogs to go hyper and Griffin seems to have got worse over the last couple of months. Since Coco's allergies were identified they have been on fish & maize food!

There seems to be a lot of conflict whether it is protein, carbs or fat which causes the energy boost that is problematic if not channelled.

No safe swimming ponds around here but he is going to the hydro pool again on saturday.
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Hi Pam,

Why don't you go for MWH Endurance, which is Turkey and Duck ? It is 24% protein which might be better, plus it is much cheaper than Turkey and Veg! Mine are on 25% and 28.5% protein and doesn't seem to cause any hyperactivity. I wouldn't personally go too high with protein, although I guess with raw feeding the protein levels are far higher than 35% ?

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The feeding guide on Millies also has a chart at the bottom with recommend foods for different daily exercise amounts.

Cola is on the highest fat food at the moment and does no where near the amount of exercise stated and has been fine. It has not sent her anymore hyper than the last one she was on.
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Hi Pam, Max is a working line lab but is just a pet and has been on Millie's since he came to us at 8 weeks. He's now 13 months and is fairly calm (as calm as a 13 month old can be!). I've never felt that the Millie's has affected his behaviour in any way.
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Hi Pam,

Why don't you go for MWH Endurance, which is Turkey and Duck ? It is 24% protein which might be better, plus it is much cheaper than Turkey and Veg! Mine are on 25% and 28.5% protein and doesn't seem to cause any hyperactivity. I wouldn't personally go too high with protein, although I guess with raw feeding the protein levels are far higher than 35% ?

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Coco can't have duck, it is on her allergy list. We can only use the salmon one, turkey or utility which is a 50/50 but is fish based. Although the Utility is cheaper the bag size is smaller so it works out the same meal for meal. Both utility and turkey work out about 1.75 per day for both dogs.
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I ordered samples of Turkey, Salmon and Utility so that I can have a sniff and try them on the dogs. On the feeding guide page there is a chart showing suitability for exercise levels. Salmon, which they describe as the "caviar of the dog world" suits lower activity levels, turkey is midway and utility is nearer the top end, which surprised me as utility is the lower protein one.

I don't understand all the nutritional values and what does what - I thought I did but it obviously isn't as simple as protein=energy.
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The foods do smell great and some of the kibble is moist ish which I'm sure is down to the fresh meat. I'm waiting for my gamekeeper and treat hamper being delivered today )

When I was looking for a food to fatten Cola up I was advised by Millies to try the one with the highest calories (and sure he said carbs) I was worried that Cola would end up obese quickly but reassured that it wouldn't happen. The highest calorie one Ultima has less protein than Gamekeepers and the activity levels are completely different.
Their advice says if they are given too much protein it can make stools loose, we haven't had any so far so I'm 100% happy with the food.

I really don't understand it all but trust the advice given by them so far

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DISPELL THE MYTHS...
High meat and quality protein’s do not lead to behavioural problems- it is an outdated myth.

Quality meat protein is vital for proper functionality being the most important nutrient in the diet from proper brain function to overall development .

Generally dogs on higher meat protein diet are calmer as they have a constant supply of nutrients unlike inadequate low quality protein diet (grains, gluten and vegetable proteins )
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