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Old 10-06-2015, 09:22 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Thank you.

Sorry to come back with yet another question but the issue I have now is we are low on Royal Canin was off to pick some more up today but after reading that last night I am reluctant to give it to Milo anymore. But I know that I can't just put him straight onto a new brand so do I buy 2 bags (1 of Royal Canin and 1 of something else) or do I buy a new bag of something and some chicken and do half and half for a couple of days? Arrrgh!
Do royal canin do small bags? I know it's not very cost effective but if you're planning on changing over it would be a waste getting a large one.

Have you decided on another food? Most of the brands do sell small bags so again maybe worth getting a small one first to make sure he likes it then introduce along with RC.

You might even find a difference straight away,we did when changing Coka from breeders food to Millies. Mind you she had s set back as had Giardia but is doing fantastic now
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Do royal canin do small bags? I know it's not very cost effective but if you're planning on changing over it would be a waste getting a large one.

Have you decided on another food? Most of the brands do sell small bags so again maybe worth getting a small one first to make sure he likes it then introduce along with RC.

You might even find a difference straight away,we did when changing Coka from breeders food to Millies. Mind you she had s set back as had Giardia but is doing fantastic now
From what I have seen at my local Pets at Home the smallest RC they do in the Red Junior up to 12 months puppy which is what Milo has been having is 4kg.

With regards to getting a new brand, I'm undecided. I'm terrible at making decisions because I like to research so much beforehand. I am familiar with JWB but I know that there are better ones out there. I have been looking at Millies. I want Milo to have the best he can, something that is good for him, no rubbish in it and really good for joints to help with any possible legs problems that might occur later on. Also a brand that isn't going to drastically increase his weight, something that provides a steady pace. He has big feet and were always being told he is going to be big when fully grown. Something that will help to build his muscles rather than making him chubby. Where do you buy your bags of Millies from?
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From what I have seen at my local Pets at Home the smallest RC they do in the Red Junior up to 12 months puppy which is what Milo has been having is 4kg.

With regards to getting a new brand, I'm undecided. I'm terrible at making decisions because I like to research so much beforehand. I am familiar with JWB but I know that there are better ones out there. I have been looking at Millies. I want Milo to have the best he can, something that is good for him, no rubbish in it and really good for joints to help with any possible legs problems that might occur later on. Also a brand that isn't going to drastically increase his weight, something that provides a steady pace. He has big feet and were always being told he is going to be big when fully grown. Something that will help to build his muscles rather than making him chubby. Where do you buy your bags of Millies from?
You can only get Millies direct from them. It's easy to order,it arrives within 2 days sometimes next day. They also email you a one hour delivery time slot. Fantastic service.

If you phone and ask to speak to Mark he would be able to advise you,I found him very helpful.

They do sample bags,two different sizes. I bought some of the 500g ones. They do take a few days to be delivered as its Royal Mail that will deliver unless you buy a kg or more.

I have so far ordered two 4kg bags for Cola so I can make sure she likes it first. Going to order the 12kg this week. I find with Millies that I am feeding the lower end of the guide,Cola looks great and it doesn't cost a fortune either.

We have tried Riverside and Gamekeeper mix

Cola has quite big paws but I think she will be quite small,she is petite now. Our last lab was also petite. Both from working stock. I do think though that males are generally larger


Sometimes I think the more you look and research the harder it is,I got myself into a right dither. Ended up just deciding on Millies and chuffed that Cola likes it

Some advice about feeding amounts and poo!

https://www.millieswolfheart.co.uk/Feeding-Guides/
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You can only get Millies direct from them. It's easy to order,it arrives within 2 days sometimes next day. They also email you a one hour delivery time slot. Fantastic service.

If you phone and ask to speak to Mark he would be able to advise you,I found him very helpful.

They do sample bags,two different sizes. I bought some of the 500g ones. They do take a few days to be delivered as its Royal Mail that will deliver unless you buy a kg or more.

I have so far ordered two 4kg bags for Cola so I can make sure she likes it first. Going to order the 12kg this week. I find with Millies that I am feeding the lower end of the guide,Cola looks great and it doesn't cost a fortune either.

We have tried Riverside and Gamekeeper mix

Cola has quite big paws but I think she will be quite small,she is petite now. Our last lab was also petite. Both from working stock. I do think though that males are generally larger


Sometimes I think the more you look and research the harder it is,I got myself into a right dither. Ended up just deciding on Millies and chuffed that Cola likes it

Some advice about feeding amounts and poo!

https://www.millieswolfheart.co.uk/Feeding-Guides/
Thank you ever so much you have been really helpful and lots of other people have been too. It's a handy site to be part of so no doubt I will be back with questions again soon

I think I'll go and buy a bag of RC, then Milo can stop looking at me like he hasn't eaten in days lol (he has had breakfast) and in the mean time I'll look into Millies a bit more and give Mark a ring. I agree the more I look the more confused I get. Thank you for the link I'll look at that too.
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Glad the vets visit went well

Well he has suffered a fair bit with vomiting and the poo's plus he has had worms so he has had a break from all dog food (vets advice) and has spent a fair bit of time on chicken, rice and white fish. We started introducing the Royal Canin back into his diet within the last 2 weeks and it's only been the last couple of days where he is now having Royal Canin only and bigger portions 3 times a day. It's a nightmare, just when he gets settled he's either sick or has the poo's. But he was on the Royal Canin for a week or so prior to the sickness etc. I had a look on the Royal Canin bag and it says 339g per day for a 5 month old pup (that's up to 25kg adult weight up until 12 months old). JWB is 375g for the same. What brand do you feed Gibbs (sorry if you have already said). How old is Gibbs?

Can I ask you, with regards to worms/flea treatment what do you use? We were given Advocate but that was all and then Milo had worms where the vet should've advised to use an additional worming tablet from what I've heard. We give Milo Advocate monthly but should we also give an additional worming tablet and if so should this be monthly too? Or will a normal worming tablet suffice along with the spot on for fleas? Why don't they just offer one product that covers everything?!!
Gibbs is on JWB and we are guessing he will be about 30 - 35 kg when he's grown (this is based on the 5 year old black lab we had staying with us for a bit, he was a working guide dog who was on Royal Canin) so as Gibbs is just over 4 months we have been giving 150g three times a day.

Regards to worms and fleas, we have been giving Gibbs Advocate and a worming tablet once a month. We are still using the vets at the moment to get them from as we are taking him in for a quick check up and weighing. This is more for our peace of mind than anything else as we are not experienced dog owners.

I think the main thing is to find something that is ok that agree's with your dog, we did a gradual switch over to JWB and Gibb's tummy settled down after a few weeks. You could spend ages agonising over stuff like this, I certainly did until I just decided enough was enough!

We settled on JWB as its reasonably ok, really easy to get hold of and comes in a variety of flavours as Gibbs seems to enjoy different food. We also have some JWB pouches too so we often switch out some of the kibble with a pouch which Gibbs loves
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Some dogs who have had a varied diet and don't have any digestive issues can just settle into a new food without a gradual changeover but it is a risk. If there is a sudden change it can cause an upset stomach which may take weeks or even longer to get over. Griffin seems to have a cast iron digestive system so I could give him absolutely anything to eat and it would be unlikely to make him ill but I am a bit more careful with Coco.

I know what you mean about getting more confused the more you read - It is a nightmare! When you balance price, ease of access, quality and quantity you end up tying yourself in knots.

The daft thing is, with Labradors they don't even taste it because they wolf it down so fast and they often eat all sorts of things they shouldn't so any benefit from the good food can quite easily be undone by eating rubbish. I think you have to find a food that you are happy with, your dog seems healthy on and just stick with it. It will probably be different to someone else's preferred food but that's life.
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After lots of helpful advice (thank you) and an awful lot of dithering on my part I have decided to try Milo on Millies Wolfheart. I have sat and compared a few on the All About Dog Food website (brilliant) and considered JWB, Burns, and Millies.I was originally considering Burns but what clinched it for me is that Millies contains several ingredients such as Glucosamine to aid joints. It says clinical trial results are mixed but I feel better knowing it's in there. There are a couple of other ingredients stating to have an anti-inflammatory effect (again I feel better knowing it's there). Plus reviews are really positive generally. So I'm going to order a small bag and introduce it gradually alongside the Royal Canin which I really regret giving Milo after seeing the amount of red in the ingredients list! Unfortunately I know that I can't just take him off of it otherwise I wouldn't have bought another bag today. It annoys me that the smallest they do in his particular bag is 4kg! Anyway just thought I would update. Thanks again all
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Hopefully milo likes the Millies and the changeover is smooth. It is hard choosing as every dog is different,what suits one may not suit another

Did you give mark a call? He advised us to try the 60/40 foods to start,might be different for you
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Hopefully milo likes the Millies and the changeover is smooth. It is hard choosing as every dog is different,what suits one may not suit another

Did you give mark a call? He advised us to try the 60/40 foods to start,might be different for you
Fingers crossed! I'd hate to have to try and find another brand I'm losing the will to live a bit. Very true they are all different. I haven't because I only decided last night, I'm going to give him a ring today. What are 60/40 foods or is that a silly question. Is the 60/40 simply just the ratio of old and new food together. I was looking at either the turkey and veg or the salmon and veg.

I noticed from the feeding guidelines that the amount per day is considerable more 505-700g (25-35kg) up to 26 weeks old. Currently Milo only gets 339g at 20 weeks up to 25kg. But I think RC is high in fat so is that why RC is less?

It really annoys me family continuously call Milo a little fatty when they were the ones telling us to ignore the feeding guidelines and just feed 'handfuls' plus they give him treats on walks when we don't. He doesn't get anything other than his dog food from us. I can clearly see his waist, I can feel his ribs when I run my hands down both sides of him upon standing (like a blanket is over him). The vet weighed him about 2 weeks ago and said she would like to see him 'put on weight' which shocked me being a lab. She said at his age he needs fat to aid his joints but to burn it off after 6 months of age. He's stocky and slightly shorter legged than his friend. Really annoys me people think they know better and criticise every little thing. I'd much rather ask on here at least here I know people are 'experienced' lab owners. Hence my paranoia about how much I am feeding. Rant over
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I think the 60/40 is the meat to veg ratio, some are 70/30 or 80/20.

Other foods are fed in higher amounts because they contain fillers that have no nutritional value. Something like Millies is just pure nutrition so less of it is needed. However, a dog that is used to having a full tummy may struggle on a smaller amount and not feel full enough on a concentrated food so may struggle with him being hungry in the short term. The nutritionists at Millies should be able to guide you through the transition - explain that he is used to having larger amounts.
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