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Old 28-06-2019, 10:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I expect you already have a copy of the pedigree of Ruby, but in case it does not run to 5 generations I'll put a copy here. I wont write any more about her tonight, other than to say she is 100% working lines. Some dogs I know nothing about. In order for me to know anything, particularly about working dogs, the dog needs to work in competition. Many working dogs fulfil a useful roll picking up on shoots, and very many are well thought of on those shoots. But these dogs tend to only get to be known amongst shooting people who are local to the dog. In the case of Ruby there are quite a few dogs, and their breeders who I know well, so I'll write a full report tomorrow after I get home. (my job tomorrow is sorting out the positions for clay traps for next week's BBQ and clay pigeon shoot.
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Old 29-06-2019, 06:26 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Ah thank you John
Do your dogs work with you every day? Would they go with you to the bbq? 😋
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Old 29-06-2019, 03:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I only pick up one day a week these days. My hip wont allow any more. But I'm at the shoot every Saturday all through the year, repairing fences, clearing paths and the like. We have continued feeding up to today, but there is now plenty natural food for them now, so today is the end until we get the young poults in, then the real works start. It will be feeding feeding twice a day to start with. Then when the birds start flying I'll be dogging in, (walking the birds back from the edges of the shoot, back towards the middle) Amy was very good at that, but Chloe needs me around stopping her from charging in and scattering the birds! But she's a year older this year so a little less headstrong. Our game keeper is only part time, having another full time job, so as I'm retired I can fill in during the week.

I love it. So much to see. I was watching the hare playing in the paddock this morning. The food we put out for the Pheasants attracts all manner of wildlife. We regularly see Egret in the fields, Swifts catching insects on the wing, even the occasional Fox cubs playing in the wood.

Oh yes, and the girls will be at the BBQ and Clay shoot, What Labrador would turn her nose up at a barbecued sausage?
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Old 29-06-2019, 03:44 PM   #4 (permalink)
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This was Amy, picking up with me in her younger days. And Chloe picking up last season sat beside my truck.
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Ruby’s sire was Garicmoor Grenadier of Ettinsmoor, owned as you know by Jill Parsons. I’ve known Jill for quite a few years. Originally she lived not far from me. At that time she had GSP’s and trained with Marlow DTC. At that time I was training with Wycombe DTC and we used to have Obedience matches between the two clubs. Later she moved to the East Anglia area and started with Labradors. Grenadier’s house name is Skip and he has been placed in several trials, winning at 2. Jill also picks up with her dogs. (She was also the breeder of my Chloe.) Bedgebrook Excalibur (Scally to his friends) was bred by Gilly Nickols in East Sussex. He worked creditably in the 2009 International Gundog League Retriever Championship. (The top Field Trial in the country. Dogs have to qualify for this event by winning other trials during that year.) I know I’m missing out many very good dogs, but if I wrote about them all it would become a book rather than a post, so I’ll gloss over many lovely dogs, back to Pocklea Remus. Bred and trialed by Dave Garbutt, winner of the IGL championship in 1991, he appears at the back of many working Labradors. Drakeshead is the affix of John Halstead senior, and is probably the most well known name in working Labradors. Tasco Green Drake is litter brother to Tasco Dancing Brave of Willowyck and was bred by Alan and the late Mary Rountree. Green Drake’s sire was Alan Thornton’s Shinshail Apache. Alan always said that Patch was his favourite dog.

As to Polly Mcguirk, The first 3 generations I know nothing about. But carrying on from there, Aughacasla Sam of Drakeshead was born in Ireland and brought by John Halstead senior. As I have said before, he had a reputation for passing on his working genes. Sadly he also passed on Progressive Retinal Atrophy, a hereditary disease of the eye leading to blindness. But we were all lucky in that the DNA test arrives at just the right time. In the case of Ruby, Skip has been tested clear so whatever the status of Polly Mcguirk Ruby can be no worse than a carrier, so can never develop the disease, so no worries! Sam was so well thought of that he sired over 1500 pups. One of Sam’s offspring was Tom Smith’s Craighorn Bracken who won the IGL retriever championship in 2002. The win was so emphatic, that to me, no other dog stood a chance of winning after the first day. It was his to lose! I don’t think Tom Smith blew the stop whistle more than 3 times in the whole of the 3 day Trial, he was such a good game finder! Contender Cassanova was bred by Natasha Bujnoch. Natasha comes from Copenhagen, and was at one time working as an AI technician for the Shockamullar (spelling) show jumping stables in Germany. She then came over here as a gamekeeper in East Anglia before taking over a shoot on the north Yorkshire moors. Cassanova’s sire was Druimmure Drake of Contender. Drake was bred by Nicola Hannan in Scotland. I remember the litter so well because Nic and I were chatting about DNA testing for PRA at the time. Nic herself kept Druimmuir Desert Storm, Dave Scott had Druimmuir Diablo of Redracer, Lucy Mixture took Druimmuir Diva, Andrew Whelan took Druimmuir Dodge of Lowforge, Natasha Druimmuir Drake of Contender (which is the one in Ruby’s pedigree, and for some reason I don’t know who took Druimmuir Distinction, (Although I have a feeling it was Fee Barns.)

So there you are. There should be plenty of brain in there!
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They always look so happy with working and having something to do. As Ruby is of working stock but is just a family dog is there anything different I should do with her walks?
She loves going off lead and retrieving balls but is quite headstrong and doesn’t always drops them, she then enjoys being chased after 🙂
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Thank you so much for all of Ruby’s background and heritage. She is a very smart and cunning puppy who has learnt all the basics very quickly
As I said in other post she is very head strong and she is also quite stubborn
I’m definitely very happy with her
Another question are working labradors heavier? The vet says she’s big for a Labrador, she doesn’t have any fat on her but is 31kg which she said is very large for a female lab
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If she were show bred I’d say no. My girls are all show bred and vary between 28k and 33k. My show bred boy (in my avatar) is 39k and solid as anything. He’s not even a year old!

Working bred, in my limited experience, generally tend to be smaller and lighter.
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As to weight, my Amy is a very big girl at 29kg, (Although put on a little "middle age spread" since retiring. Chloe is a very small girl at 22 to 23kg.

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As I said in other post she is very head strong and she is also quite stubborn
In a working dog we call that "Very determined." After all, they would not be a lot of use if they gave up looking if not immediately finding anything. It's all about channelling that determination.

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Balls are not always the best thing for dogs. The chase. Better is to put some work into it. Toss the ball, or better still a proper gundog dummy, into long grass or undergrowth, making her wait a little while before sending her, so she has to use her nose to find it. There is no endto the different types of retrieves you can setup, with a little thought. Also a dummy is so much easier to take from the mouth of a dog. Ans somethingyou can train in doors while watching TV! With her sitting in front of you, give her the dummy using the command "Hold", and after she has sat holding it for a few seconds take it with the command "Give" or "Dead." With a ball, the chase, and particularly the sharp turning so easily ends up with cruciate injuries, tears to the cross ligaments in the knee. Below is Chloe retrieving from cover when she was around 10 months old.


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Also, working dogs can be just as soppy as pet dogs.
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