I also think it comes down to whether you feel that dogs fighting or about to fight over *something* be that a pheasant etc etc should be simply politely asked to part and shake hands, or whether they need instant correction by way of whatever comes to hand.
We allow FAR too much aggression and bolshiness to surface in our breed in my humble opinion uncorrected or gently nagged at which is entirely ignored. We/I hear and read about growling at other males, growling because they don't want to XY or Z when we ask them, fighting over a bitch in season, gorlwing at other dogs when they have birds/dummies/food, doing this, doing that, and I want to scream WHY???? WHY do you not get ontop of this the FIRST time it happens as a youngster? Probably because that is not PC
If two dogs were about to fight over something when you had a bucket of water in your hand you would lob that at them, bucket and all hopefully. They would hit the deck and run stiff legged and ears back. Ditto waving or a whack with a stick. Ditto throwing car keys if they were to hand etc etc etc....
Jean, you know I have ultimate respect for you but I think you are believing what the papers say a little too much because you aren't keen on the royals fullstop Forgive me for saying that but I do think how we view the royals allows us to tailor how we view things printed about them in the tabloid press.
Di
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Di, in response to your comments to Jean, I agree that my view of the Royals is not one of total admiration, and I have pondered as to whether or not this is tainting my judgement of these photographs. It is possible, however, I also despise the press coverage of most sensationalised celebrity style nonsense, whether royal or any other celebrity. And I always respect your views and the views of many on here who feel that this has been reasonable behaviour very much, so have no great desire to be at odds with people whose opinions I usually admire.
I would find these images shocking no matter who held the stick. I just can't help it - I find it very sad. it does not concur with my view of gundog work, which, in my limited experience has evidenced handlers with the utmost respect for their animals.
And being in the public eye holds moral obligation, whether you are a prince or a popstar, therefore I don't think it is my view of the royals which is causing me to disapprove, and I don't dislike any of them individually, just the concept of a monarchy within a democracy.
If you are a public figure, you know how to anticipate the press and that this is what would have happened. Surely Edward's dogs would have been beautifully trained - that should be expected I would have imagined?
I wonder if the same applies to people who admire the monarchy, that perhaps they are a little more forgiving of this scene?
Perhaps I would feel differently if I had to split up fighting dogs. I never have, touch wood, as mine are so very placid and reasonably obedient. I suspect that experience may colour my view, but for now, I remain saddened by these pics. I can't help it - I just do.
Mo, I do see exactly your point of view and agree that Royals *should* realise the camera is on them 24/7. I know its not a way I would want to live but agree they should be used to it and any rash action will have repercussions.
What I'd like to ask because its been mentioned by yourself and some others in both threads is that ARE people upset that Edward chose this method to seperate two potentially or actually fighting dogs, OR are we getting this all mixed up BECAUSE he was on a shoot and so its assumed that gundog training comes into this? And that concerns folks?
Because we MUST seperate the action of splitting fighting dogs or immediately forstalling a fight, with gundog training and carrying a stick to do so.
This could have been in the back garden at Buck House. Its not a GUNDOG training issue. It may have been over a bird, but it could have been over a bone, or a Kong or just one looked at the other 'funnily' as per any dog fights or acts of dog to dog aggression...
We must remove the idea of being disturbed that GUNDOG training involves 'hitting a dog with a stick' Or dogs on shoots get whacked with sticks.
And realise really all this is is regarding whether we feel seperating a dog fight with a stick and telling them immediately 'don't you **** dare do that again' is wrong.
Di
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I see exactly the same photo is back in the Daily Mail yet again today, for the third day running!!! I guess they are really keen that everyone should see it.
That has got to be a gross overkill in anyone's language!
I see exactly the same photo is back in the Daily Mail yet again today, for the third day running!!! I guess they are really keen that everyone should see it.
That has got to be a gross overkill in anyone's language!
Regards, John
It's not like there isn't any other news in the world is it . I mean there's the Gaza Strip, people dying of Cholera and a variety of other REAL stories....yet all the tabloids are after is a bit of sensationalism yet again .
I gave up reading any of the Tabloids years ago, as I have no wish to be brainwashed by some of their extremist bunkum. If I wish to read Fiction and Fantasy I pick up a good book instead.
Helen - that is very true! With my job we have a lot of connections with the local rags and the Editor said that he wasn't going to print 'good news' stories as it didn't sell his papers and would only print 'crime' stories or 'bad news' stories as it made better reading
What I'd like to ask because its been mentioned by yourself and some others in both threads is that ARE people upset that Edward chose this method to seperate two potentially or actually fighting dogs, OR are we getting this all mixed up BECAUSE he was on a shoot and so its assumed that gundog training comes into this? And that concerns folks?
Di
Hey Di! I was concerned about his methods mainly, as with dogs who I would assume are very well trained and bred that there must be another way to deal with it. I agree wholeheartedly with your comments that if people took training more seriously from the offset and were firmer about the basics that they would not have to resort to physical chastisation.
However, I also feel he has done no favours to the public perception of gundog work, because the public will simply view this as typical of a shoot. I have very limited experience of gundog work, but having spent a day out in a field working on basics and watching people who were demonstratling beautifully trained dogs, the respect between dog and handler impressed me tremendously and I consequently have a very positive perception of this work and would like to gain further experience. It did my heart good! If Edward and his dogs had this level of bond, he could have employed a less hostile strategy. Perhaps I am being swayed by assumptions about his skill level - I would have assumed the Royal family would be very adept with their dogs, and perhaps I am wrong to do so.
I think the tabloids are dull as sin to be printing it yet again and I avoid them like the plague, but he has played right into their hands with this opportunity and provided them with plenty of material.
But he would not have. It's extremely unlikely he trained his dog, and for that matter probably does not even see the dog for most of the time. It's probably not a lot like the relationship you and I have with our dogs. Dave Lisset is the Queen's dog man, Brian Winman looks after the Duke of Wellington's dogs and so it goes on. I've no doubt his dog man would not have had any bother and would probably have nipped it in the bud with a quick whistle before it ever developed.
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. I mean there's the Gaza Strip, people dying of Cholera and a variety of other REAL stories....yet all the tabloids are after is a bit of sensationalism yet again 
