Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 5:21 pm Post subject: Gundog Training basic obediance
I am going to see a gundog trainer for Max in a few weeks not for training to be a working gundog but for basic obedience so was just wondering in what way the training will be different to his KC classes.
I have looked through a few Gundog trainers sites in my area but not many seem to do the basic obedience without training to be a working gundog but we have found one that does (I am hopeless at searching and have been looking for a long while )as I think it will be just what he needs so will it be very different to KC classes we are doing a one to one with him.
Any help on what to expect will be gratefully received I hate the unknown
Cheryl
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Any reason why you don't want Gundog training as such? It's great fun and sure max will love it. Gundog training is all about recall heel work steadiness and general working together
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I am such a trainer and to be honest, all but dammit, until a good few months into training, VERY little is different. Some *possible* differences:
* Groups may be smaller and costs may be slightly higher.
* You will probably be asked to have your dog on a slip lead with a collar on and nothing else, not a clip on lead and collar.
* You will probably be asked to buy and wear a gundog 'acme' whistle on a lanyard round your neck for future use.
* You will probably once its established the dog knows his verbal words for sit and recall, work whistle peeps in for those two movements.
* You may well have a retrieve worked into the class at some point or points of some type. This won't necessarily be in the same 'formal' mould as a obedience class type retrieve with a sit and present etc, it will be more a happy means to working towards a keen dog and a nice calm inrun and delivery.
* Your classes will almost certainly be outdoors regardless of weather.
* Starting this sort of a class may WELL take your interest towards working towards becomeing some degree of working gundog once you see what fun it is
Good luck and enjoy!
Di
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Sam Max does love it but really in real time terms I just have no time to do it he loves retrieving more than anything he is one of those dogs he would rather be retrieving than getting treats for doing good he is not a foodie Labrador which is why we are starting to struggle at his KC class as he just wants more to work his mind I really wish I did have the time
that is why I have decided to take him to a gundog trainer as I want a steady dog who can sit stay walk to heel and recall I am not really into all the other stuff we do at class.
Cheryl
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Cheryl, just to warn you, a good pet gundog class will still BE 95% obedience work, heel, sit, stay, recall, etc etc. There will be very little retrieving going on till they are solid reliable obedient dogs because the last thing a teacher wants to encourage, even though of course it does *happen* sometimes, is dogs charging around out of control being rewarded by picking retrieves.
So I know just what you mean and in no way want to sell you back to a school hall sit and treat class, but initally, apart from being outside, and the trainer possibly demanding just a little more formality and concentration from the dogs than your average pet obedience class, you may find not a lot different until he has a bit of a halo off the lead under most distractions.
But different trainers work in different ways of course.
Di
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Hi Cheryl
I have an 8 month old lab and I have signed up for both regular training classes in our village hall (once a week for 6 weeks) and gundog classes (once a fortnight). So far I've been to two classes of each. My particular gundog class has been cheaper than the regular class (I'm sure cost is a variable factor!)
My dog is in the novice basic obedience class for both and in both I am going over walking to heel, sit on command and stay.
Treats are used in my regular class (although the programme plan shows how the treats will be phased out) but no treats are used at gundog class.
I tend to find that my dog settles faster in the regular class as there is less stimulation from the surroundings. In the second half of the gundog class, the dogs in my group have settled down and we all get a lot more focus out of our retrievers. We're a raggle taggle group, and nothing compared to the polished, well-behaved dogs training away in the advanced class at the other end of the field - but there is hope that one day we will get there!
I really enjoy both classes (I think Chester prefers the gundog one as there are more interesting smells in the field!) and find them mutually beneficial.
I started the gundog class first and the trainer said it was fine to do the regular class too (I was thinking it might be confusing for my dog but actually as stated, they have reinforced one another).
I hope you enjoy the gundog training! I'm sure Max will!
I am hoping that our obedience style training classes head outside as the daylight hours increase - I have 2 of the best behaved labs ever (well.. a slight exaggeration to make my point!) in the class environment in the hall but a class environment in the great outdoors has always been seen by Luna as a LF GT!!!! Fun, running, games, fun, fun, fun!!!
Agility training has helped as it involves waiting around steadily without fun and then running along following commands which is fun!
I would love to have regular outdoor training classes of the gundog/obedience type <sigh!>
Have fun with Max being calm and relaxed and with you!
Thank you Wilmington it sounds great that is exactly how I am hoping it works out for us. Max started out at class with great stay recall heel work is not good and it is gradually going down hill I have to say he sees it as a social club rather than a training session really which is not good but I persevere I am hoping the different surroundings will help to get Max back in learning mode.
Chery;
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Cheryl, we did the basic obedience classes with Max and as with your Max, he is not food orientated and quite frankly he hated every minute.
Went to NE training as you know and it is the same training Basics (as Di and other have already said) but probably more intense. What I would say is that in gundog training they don't have to 'jump through hoops' its ALL geared to steadiness. It took Max quite a while to settle as he was not used to mixing with many dogs - he isn't a 'hoolie' around dog, even when he has the chance.
I would say gundog training is calmer, less reliant on what a dog is doing in close proximity (in our case - very close proximity as they were nose to tail) , more focus on your dog and your handling (the main thing) and absolutely brilliant that it is held outdoors WITH distractions.
Enjoy your 1:1 classes and even though we don't shoot with Max, the training and things they do on the way - thoroughly enjoyable.
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