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Dogs do vary so much. Its how they channel their adrenaline. Bored 'get on with it' noise' is very different to an involentary reaction to excitement responded to by noise. Its such a difficult area.
I had a bitch who is the most vocal around the house ever. At a trial in the game cart going to the drive she was silent till the handbreak went on then she would be squarking to get out and bring it on. It was shameful and humiliating  Especially if the judges were in the cart. Especially as she was showbred. Especially as she was brown
If all four judges COULD of stood behind us when the drive started they WOULD of. They were expecting tears before the first bird. But she used to pant like a train and shake like a jelly but never, ever utter a single noise however heavy or light the drive was.
Its a conundrum i can never explain except that the noise was about 'bringing the excitement on' and then 'when excitement was *here*' she channeled it in a different way by shaking and panting. One judge commented that she appeared to be about to have a ten pound baby.
But trialing with her was what one might term 'extreme trialing' because everything said she would explode in squarks one day, but never did. And by the time she was really too old to be trialing, I finally relaxed
Noise, a lot of good thoughts and advice in this thread. My own thoughts are simply that you make it hard for yourself if you try and fight fire with fire, simply because you crank their adrenaline up rather than where it needs to be going, down. For me, the same with delivery problems, biting down, not releasing etc etc. The more worked up and hands on you get, the higher the stress levels jump, which are creating the problem in the first place.
I agree myself that noise around the house can signal a 'noise under adrenaline dog'. A noisey gundog in other words. But I have also had a lot of gobby creatures around the house which have been silent on drives.
I once trained a bitch for someone else who came to work at about 4 years old. She was fabulous for a showbred dog. Until it came to expressing excitement. Then she was very vocal and tried to make LOTS of eye contact with me coupled with gobbing off. Later I discovered she had been taught to 'ask' when she wanted something ... 'do you want it?!!! Do you want it!!??' IE when they were winding her up to throw a ball. It wasn't entirely helpful
Random musings because all the already replies say it brilliantly. Slow down and get her out of classes for a while. Then start with one partner dog. Then two and build her back up slowly. Just as everyone says. You may well not come back from this sadly. I think having a royal pedigree doesn't guarantee no noise. Infact some of the most driven lines are the lines most likely to make noise if not carefully monitored because of their drive level.
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Good ideas for avoiding the noises in the car Jill, are yours silent when left at tests etc, I know mine just have always suggled down and snoozed at shows etc, but they ever have been barkers anyway, they let anyone just walk in, no noise for doorbell or any such thing. How would you deal with noise such as barking at someone near the back of the car if you are not in it? I have a feeling Jenson might be likely to do that but the girls just wiggle if anyone approaches.
Zanna was the noisy pup in the litter but not now, she never murmers. Brooke used to be noisy when watching group training unless she had something to concentrate on, but as time has gone on she has outgrown it and likes to watch. My neighbours always comment how they never hear my dogs which is nice but I bet they will hear them in a few weeks time 
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| _Jac_ wrote: | | Good ideas for avoiding the noises in the car Jill, are yours silent when left at tests etc, I know mine just have always suggled down and snoozed at shows etc, but they ever have been barkers anyway, they let anyone just walk in, no noise for doorbell or any such thing. How would you deal with noise such as barking at someone near the back of the car if you are not in it? |
Yes Jac they are silent if left at tests etc. If not they wouldn't go with me. I think by starting them off the way I do (in my very organised over the top OCD fashion  ) they just don't actually realise that they "can" make a noise if that makes sense. Mine just want to be the ones "chosen" to come with me. As an example I took Morse to a Novice Class last night and the girls (Darcy and Spice) wanted to come too, so they did just for the ride and they slept through the training. They don't have any stuffed kongs or anything when adults though, just when they are pups.
I'm not saying they would never bark at someone approaching the back of the car because you never can tell when someone will appear "strange" to them, but they don't normally. Remember I am coming from a place of having Weimaraners who are the noisiest pain in the backside that were ever born and believe me you can hear two Weimaraners coming in the back of a car from miles away  . I could never put up with that sort of noise again!!
I do have a couple who will bark when someone comes at home but that's allowed barking because I like to know when someone is here. The pups don't join in. No whinging and whining though!
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