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| richardm19 wrote: | | does dopram really make a difference in binging puppies round until you posted it i had never heard about it. |
Yes it works!
As a vet nurse, I used it all the time. For my two litters I didnt need it at all. (thankfully). The key thing to note for me using it as much as I have in the past is that the pups are going to take a little longer to come round if they are born via a c-section. We would have to stimulate them immediately (rubbing with a towel) If they didnt get going straightaway we would give the dopram.
I think when it is a normal whelping and the bitch can be allowed to do her job then hopefully all is well. Any intervention made should be kept to a minimum. That said if a pup is clearly not breathing then take over and stimulate that pup to breathe!
The bitch should be able to tear the bag herself and tear the umbilical cord herself too! Once the pup has been released from the bag, the bitch will lick the puppy. This is what stimulates the puppy to breathe. The pup should breathe and make squeeks quite quickly. If however it doesnt then it would be at this point you take over to stimulate the puppy to get it going.
Im sure others on here would have stories they would like to share on their own personal experiences about reviving puppy's.
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" I recall a conversation by Di - between her and her vets about how long to revive for. I would agree that perhaps vets dont continue the attempt to revive puppies for as long as a breeder would. I think for me, I would prefer to carry on stimulating a puppy for as long as it took. I prefer to have the no signs of life confirmed after a very long period than feel I have "given up" on a puppy. "
I think around 25 mins is the longest I have worked on a puppy. Its exhausting. But as you go along you do get enocouraging signs even if they don't actually breathe such as gums become slightly pinker from grey.
The pups that are the hardest to get going appear to be the ones born with their tongue out.
Sometimes whilst about ten mins in, you get a slight leg kick, and it stirs you to think even more outside the box in trying to get that fluid out the lungs and the heart going.
I must admit I have never used anything artifical for this. I also feel that pups that have to be stimulated like this VERY roughly/firmly can have problems later on as a result from being so vigourously tended to, and feel this may be part of unlocking some of the 'environmental damage' to joints in otherwise good scoring litters. If you traced it back....it could well be your 'near impossible to get going puppy at birth'.
Often its asked 'so when do you give up? How long is long enough to try?' and I don't know. Something in your gut tells you. Some after two mins you just *know* aren't coming and have been dead in there a day or so. Some are a floppy as a glove but yet somehow you KNOW to keep going on them.
I don't believe vets work very long at all on pups. Through ignorance, inexperience of the whelping proceedure and that flat line newborns are extremely normal, or just because it doesn't mean to THEM what it means to US.
I would encourage breeders to BEG to be in there during a C Section if there is any possible way. And do not stay hands off, work on those pups as often a C Section is after a long time of stilted first stage labour and those pups are ones BEGGING to be flat line on arrival if some have sat in the birth canal for a long time.
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