I'm amazed this list was not made available for breeders before! Sham
Part of my reason for using an older, well proven stud dog was that by the time it's getting to 8-9 years old logic and experience tells us that by this age any health problems are starting - or have already - showed up. Nothing wrong with that as this is perfectly natural and you can just make an informed choice but it kind of all falls to the ground (and with a biiiig thump) when it transpires that some information is being kept on 'special secret lists'.
Had it not been for Zensmum, I would only have discovered this list too late for having had the eye test done and I would not have been able to maybe offer him at stud in the future without knowing that he could in fact be potentially passing on MRD.
I'm not one that normally goes all 'silly' about health checks and insists on 'clear' all the way but I do get rather annoyed when information is withheld so it effectively stop breeders from 'breeding out' affected dogs and still preserve bloodlines.
Natasha
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WLF All the Way!!!!
"Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you canīt eat it or hump it. **** on it and walk away..."
So you know he's not affected, but he could still be a carrier and pass it on anyway! You're not really much further forward...
Please refer back to my use of the word 'endemic' - there are lots of well used dogs who must be carriers (if you assume the recessive gene basis that the eye panelists do) according to that list. So why so few 'fails?' And does anyone else notice the seeming north/south differential?
So you know he's not affected, but he could still be a carrier and pass it on anyway! You're not really much further forward...
Please refer back to my use of the word 'endemic' - there are lots of well used dogs who must be carriers (if you assume the recessive gene basis that the eye panelists do) according to that list. So why so few 'fails?' And does anyone else notice the seeming north/south differential?
Well, I am further forward because as a breeder/stud dog owner I can't do anymore (apart from of course completely 'remove' the dog from breeding) as there is no DNA test. We have (not yet) a DNA test for HC, we only have the yearly eye test yet it's widely believed that most working labradors in this country have 'problems' with HC yet we don't stop breeding our working lines? I know more than people that used this stud dog (or any other on the list) last year and didn't have the chance to test their puppy. Anyway, it's potentially still going to be another 2 years before this puppy maybe is going to be good enough to breed from so by that time there could very well be another 4-6 more DNA tests out which he may test 'affected' or 'carrier' of - plenty of potential health check fails opportunities out there
Natasha
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WLF All the Way!!!!
"Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you canīt eat it or hump it. **** on it and walk away..."
Exactly! There is no DNA test! And until such times as there is, we breeders are stabbing in the dark where MRD is concerned and no one breeder can affect the state of the breed; it's an uphill struggle and one that is a losing battle without a DNA test.
It's also not as simple and clear cut as PRA was/is due to the different levels of severity within affected dogs (ie the folds/geographic MRD issue). And as it's USUALLY such a minor problem which USUALLY does not affect sight (certainly within the 'folds affected dogs' why are we making such a fuss about something we can do nothing about and which obviously has so many breed carriers that to try to remove them all would cause major detriment to the breed as a whole?
But we're way beyond that point - based in that list the majority of the most used stud dogs, certainly on the show side, are MRD carriers!!!
You could with justification say exactly the same thing about Hips, Elbows and Cataracts Fiona, in fact anything we test for which is not a genetic test. So if you ignore MRD and HD then there is no reason to eye test at all.
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