Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: Kennel club problem - not showing hereditary clear on CNM
I've been in touch with the Kennel Club as Sunni's health test results do not show that he is hereditary clear of CNM and they should do.
Apparently Sunni will not show as clear until the Sire's results are put onto the system and although I have the relevant CNM database registration number and copy of the certificate for his Sire, the actual owners of his Sire must send in a copy of the test result to the KC.
I have tried to contact Sunni's Sire owners about this but the phone number I have is unobtainable. Does anyone know if there is any way around this?
I doubt there is a way round Nikki. The KC will never show a dog CBP without the sire and dam also being recorded on it's database as clear. For example, I could not change the health status of your dogs, and it would not be right and proper if I could.
And this brings me to a problem I highlighted some time back about the KC not accepting results from some laboratories. Unless people test using KC acceptable laboratories dogs will never be CBP in the eyes of the KC.
Thanks John. Its just annoying that I have Sunni's Sire CNM database details and certificate etc., but I can't get the results shown clear for Sunni unless I get Sunni's Sire owners to sort it out. I've been unable to contact them so I'm stuffed really.
Yes another issue with the KC, they will only accept results from certain laboratories!
Do you know I am actually surprised at this Nikki. The Kennel Club have always accepted copies of certificates that I have sent in for Sire's of my litters and obviously I don't own them.
In fact, for Rusti's litter they were short of some of the health tests on the sire and I scanned and sent them through and they accepted them. I did the same on Morse's litter and on the present litter I have here.
I really can't see the difference between that and them accepting a scan of the CNM certificate you have for Sunni?? If they won't the only alternatives you have are to trace Sunni's breeder or to CNM test Sunni sadly.
So yes John I have actually changed the health status of other people's dogs!!
So yes John I have actually changed the health status of other people's dogs!!
That it wrong Jill. The KC have no right to do that. There has been trouble in the past with the KC lifting breeding endorsements without the owners permission and this ranks alongside it. NO ONE has the right to tamper with my dog's details, whatever those details are. I feel VERY strongly about this!
If the owner of the stud dog has had the dog tested for CNM and an offical certificate exists to that effect and a copy of which is in the hands of Sunni's owner then I can't see the difference between Nikki scanning the certificate to the KC or the owner doing it. Unless of course the certificate is not kosher. (I don't know who the owner is and I'm not casting aspersions - it's just a hypothetical question. )
What if the owner doesn't have a computer and so asks someone else to do it for them. How would the KC know?
But if they don't accept them because they are NOT GOOD at keeping their database up to date Accredited Breeders are unable to register there litters under the scheme through no fault of there own???
None of my litters since I joined the ABS would have been able to be registered under the Scheme. Mainly because of the BVA eye certificates not being on the database, but other health test results as well. Not my dogs but the sires.
It really is getting so complicated I can see why people are not bothering with the Scheme .
Actually Nikki I get confused between Sunni and your mum and dad's Solo. If Sunni's sire is the one out near me I probably can track them down for you??
If the owner of the stud dog has had the dog tested for CNM and an offical certificate exists to that effect and a copy of which is in the hands of Sunni's owner then I can't see the difference between Nikki scanning the certificate to the KC or the owner doing it. Unless of course the certificate is not kosher.
The KC would have no way of knowing if it was genuine or not, and not even the owner's word for it. There is much that needs tying up on health testing, not least being laboratories testing illegally, breaking patents. It is stealing, no more, no less, and breeders are going to be the loosers.
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