Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:02 am Post subject: Delivery for Gundog work. SO important!
I am a bit of a delivery freak I love a good happy delivery and its probably my number one priority from day one to develop a dog who loves holding, and so you never have to teach them 'not to drop', you simply encourage them to 'carry it longer'.
This isn't a 'how to' thread. Its just in past years for those who wanted to start in working tests, delivery was just one element, which of course it still is, and a poor delivery was just 2 or 3 marks shaved off your score.
Nowadays, more and more, even in Novice tests dropped deliveries (and I mean spat or dropped by the dog OR fumbled by you) can very very frequently mean a zero. Not usually in NDNH tests but in every other level of test.
Whether you agree with this or not, its the way it is... and so just a heads up to those starting, and there are SO many on here dabbling now and maybe planning a competitive future with their dog, GET A GOOD DELIVERY! Make that dog love holding. Don't trouble shoot later on by having to TEACH it to hold, usually forceably in the gundog world.... as a tiny tot get them screaming into you and you fussing, fussing, fussing them holding whatever they have.
And in addition, never assume a delivery on land works when the dog comes out of water, get that right too as that zero will be yours whether the dog is wet or dry It makes no difference to the judges pencil
Just thought i'd mention it
Di
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our delivery took ages to get right but with the help of a friend who is very good at clicker training we come up with a method for Finn that worked for us. He Will still cigar hold now and again but at least he holds onto it. And we've also shamefully just sorted our out of water delivery. With the next pup we Will def get the delivery sorted early on as its held us up no end
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Agreed. I was dropped 10 points (out of 20) in NDNH last year for a dropped dummy at my feet. Certainly made me determined for that never to happen again.
I've done just as you describe with my current pup and it's making life so much easier.
Richard was very hot on good deliveries from Jess and Jay because the speed they had to work sometimes out picking up, he said he didn't want to be fumbling around on the ground picking up birds, also it gave him backache Also he didn't like to think that a pricked bird had the chance to run off and it would all be wasting time.
Lola was great but she then went through a spitting stage now she mostly brings in and delivers but not always, so this is yet another area to work at. If I get low she usually delivers without spitting but sometimes not if I'm standing up, would a similar amount of points be deducted for me crouching down for delivery?
Water- arrrrggghhhhh spit, shake, pick up and bring in- I have NO idea how to get over this one as its reasonably ingrained. Sometimes I find moving swiftly away from her at the point where she might spit works so might try that but other ideas gratefully received.
Booo!! I was on a high after yesterdays training and 3 dummy retrieves all in the order I asked for them
Often (like me!) people start with their first pet dog who naturally wants to hold and go out of their way to teach it to drop the ball repeatedly at their feet as they play fetch, because that's what good pet dogs do.......then they get a fancy for gundog stuff and it's such a pain in the bum to teach what HAD been there before you screwed with it .
2nd dog was for me then a doddle because you just reward the natural urge to hold and the word 'drop' never enters their vocabulary.....even water didn't take more than a session or two to crack.
something max sometimes does is to try and shove it in my hand, or even spit it at my hand. i have a habit of holding my hand out for the 'dead' delivery so its my fault. he holds onto it until i present my hand (when i remember not to have it there ready), he then can thump it onto my palm with a ' there! have it!'
this is something that i struggle with with Tiber - probably my fault as he is the first dog I ahve trained and like Sarah says, I've probably (without realising) trained him to drop the tennis ball rather than hold it - but I have been reading some other threads on the forum from a while back about how to try and teach the hold so will hopefully get there eventually!
Had a giggle reading this and thinking back to Saturday
"Don't worry about the dummy, just get him back to you!!!"
Absolutely. But getting them BACK is the first step of actually having a delivery They can hold till night-time, but if thats at twenty paces away, you with it you are a bit .... sunk
Di
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I love a good happy delivery and its probably my number one priority from day one to develop a dog who loves holding, and so you never have to teach them 'not to drop', you simply encourage them to 'carry it longer'.
Also he didn't like to think that a pricked bird had the chance to run off and it would all be wasting time.
