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I'm with the others... no 2 at a push. Though I've heard of people feeding the first (I worked out which they were) and their dogs being healthy as ox!
I personally would want to see meat being the first and therefore largest part of the feed. I don't many dogs that will chew some wheat over a bit of meat! 
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| Contender wrote: | I'd say 2 on paper as well - only thing I'd say is that don't ever get too hung up on the protein/fat content as long as those are not given as crude (crude protein and crude fat). The crude definition is telling you how much of the protein/fat that is digestible for your dog where as 'protein/fat percentage' doesn't tell you anything but how much is in the feed but not if your dog can digest it in which case lots of it could potentially go 'straight through'
Not many dog feed companies like to tell you how much of it is 'crude' as 1) it's a guarantee 2) it would make the nutritional listings look very different on 'crap' feeds.
The feed that I use lists everything in crude protein/fat...
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Natasha, I'm a bit confused by what you are saying  .
Crude protein is an estimate of the total protein content of a food. Crude protein is calculated by analysing the nitrogen content of the food and multiplying the this by 6.25. Crude protein includes true protein and other nitrogen-containing substances such as ammonia, amino acids and nitrates. Crude protein is not an indication of digestibility - it's something that has to be listed by law.
This is how I understand pet food labelling:
CRUDE SOURCE
The protein and fat levels are listed as crude sources, not as digestible sources. The digestibility of protein and fat varies widely depending on the source. The ingredients should be examined closely to determine how digestible the crude sources actually are. As a rough guide, protein and fat from animal sources such as meat, poultry, fish and eggs are highly digestible protein sources for dogs. Protein and fat from cereals, pulses and vegetables offer low digestibility.
GUARANTEED ANALYSIS
The guaranteed analysis information panel lists the minimum levels of crude protein and fat, and the maximum levels of fibre and water. This information is a legal requirement for pet food labelling in many countries including the US, Canada, UK, Europe, New Zealand and Australia.
ORDER OF INGREDIENTS
A vast number of often-perceived ‘British’ brands, including Royal Canin, James Wellbeloved, Winalot, Pedigree, Cesar and Chappie, are actually owned by UK subsidiaries of large American corporations. For pet foods produced in the US, ingredients must be listed in order of weight. This presents the best way to determine the quality of the food, and with a little knowledge of the ingredients, a food that is highly digestible and free from unnecessary ingredients can be chosen.
The legislation covering the listing of ingredients in UK manufactured pet foods is vague to say the least. Currently, the FSA (Food Standards Agency) requires only that the ingredients in livestock food be declared and listed in descending order of weight, but pet food manufacturers have the option to declare them by category, e.g. ‘meat and animal derivatives’, ‘oils and fats’, ‘cereals’, ‘vegetable protein extracts’. Declaration by categories allows for fluctuations in the supply of the raw materials used and provides flexibility for labeling ingredients without incurring costs.
Sorry, probably going off-topic 
With regards to the OPs question of which food is better, any food with meat as the first ingredient is usually the better option.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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I prefer to avoid wheat altogether so wouldn't choose either of these foods unless I was forced to. Ingredients are usually listed in order of quantity so the first one has more wheat than anything else whist the second one has more meat.
If you are looking for a cheaper alternative than your current food you need to consider the feeding quantities too - cheaper foods often need larger amounts which ends up working out more expensive and just results in huge poos.
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