She use to do 45 seconds but i dont know why she has gone back. She is going through a very disobedient stage - only 1 but going on 14!!!! I think its terrible teenage years and she would be due another season at some point at the end of the month beginning of may. Anyway like i said she could do it. Maybe u hit the nail on the head, I use to move around before now ive started standing still because thats what we have been told to do so maybe i`ll try moving around her etc when i try again later (once she has woken from her nap!)
She does do well in a sit but i think a lie down is more comfortable for her because her legs seem to slip out from under her when she sits sometimes. She likes to fidget - a little fidget bum!!!! I will try again in an hour once she has woken up and more alert to training!
I ask her to wait with no treat in front of her 10 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She cant do it without the treat
She can do it, but considers it not worth her while! Thats why I never use treats. My treat is my voice and my hands. My dogs get plenty of goodies, but they are treats pure and simple, not used in training.
With stays I am training for a reason from day one, so I can do a job of work without my dog. So I'm never still whilst my dog is staying, always moving. I also introduce stays out of sight early, in fact as early as 12 to 14 weeks old! It simply consists of walking around a tree, so not all of me is ever out of sight. This progresses to walking around a small bush so I'm out of sight for a split second, but the pup can still relate it to the tree. By six months old I'd expect my pup to remain in the stay for at least 5 minutes whilst i walk around a pheasant pen to check the electric fence.
Regards, John
Thanks for that John, I haven't tried going out of sight with Lola staying, I think thats something I might start doing
Use the stay, dont train it as a party trick, if you know what I mean. Take him into the bedroom and sit him up whilst you make the bed. Somehow dogs seem to realise that there is a point to stays if you are doing something, that they are in fact helping in the tasks. Even to the dog it makes a point to the exercise, and to you it makes it something useful. Even when out I'm still always moving around, working towards my dog sitting quietly whilst I refill the Pheasant feeders in the wood.
The test is to leave them with their lead on for one minute with you five paces away.
The lead normally acts as a barrier, to help them stop moving, especially if draped over their back as you leave them.
You are allowed to use hand and voice commands for the whole minute, so if she looks as though she is going to move you can reinforce the sit/down command.
I use the stay as just that, they stay there until i return. If they are doing a recall, or something where I'll need them to move such as distance control in obedience, I use the wait command, as in 'wait there until i tell you to do something else'.
Luna practised 'helping' me out while I put my tent up the other weekend staying in a down position while I did the put up! She also does a lot of 'helping' by staying down and watching agility equipment being set up. She used to 'help' while I was cooking in kitchen by staying down on her bed until called to clean up spillages! I have always done stays with Luna lying down.
We try to do a bit o gundog training every now and again and I expect a sit command to mean sitANDstay until I say otherwise in that situation. It means if I ever ask her to sit in outside of training situations I have to remember to give her a release command 'ok' as well!
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Even when out I'm still always moving around, working towards my dog sitting quietly whilst I refill the Pheasant feeders in the wood.
