Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2011 11:38 am Post subject: waitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!
OMG im at the end of my rag and have NO CLUE what to do.
We have been asked to practice wait with Indi this week. Normally at home she is quite good and she will wait for 45 seconds. We have to extend this to 1 minute if she is to achieve her bronze!!! Little rascal can do it i know she can u now how i put a treat on the floor in front of her get her to wait that way and she will wait for 2 minutes!!!!!!! I ask her to wait with no treat in front of her 10 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She cant do it without the treat and im worried she will get leave it and wait mixed up if i do it that way!!!! I do short sharp 5 minute training sessions as I dont want her to get bored she is just more interested in the food than the wait!!!! I know im getting frustrated so when i enter into the sessions im calm and not at all anxious but the more she moves out of the wait and the more i put her back into a sit and wait the more anxious and frustrated i get. I just dont no what to do we have been practicing all week and we are suppose to do this at class tomorrow!!!!!
Benson has trouble with the sit/stay. He fidgits and then puts himself into the down. I have tried putting him back into position and starting again and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but if I put him in the down and ask him to stay he doesn't move. If its in preperation for the kc exams you can use sit or down but if its just because you want her to do what you have asked I would put her back in position every time she moves.
have you tried holding treat in your hand, showing her and then asking her to wait whilst holding up the hand with the treat in it. Try holding treat with your thumb against your palm. And showing her flat palm. That way over time you can phase out the treat and just use the hand signal
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For the wait command I only say sit - sit to me means do not move until you are given further instruction. With a young lab use flat palm held out with the command sit or wait - keep the hand up though so she knows she should still be waiting (you can phase this out later).
How old is she? It may be that it is being rushed. To her wait for a treat and a sit stay are completely different things. Don't assume because she can do 2 mins for a treat she can do a 2 min sit stay. I would start with 5 seconds, next day 10 seconds and so on. I'm afraid i do not think you will crack it by tmra - often rushing things causes more problems. It is a long process until the penny drops I'm afraid. I would start from scratch with her - back down tk 5 seconds and you approach her and reward - do not let her come to you. Also as soon as she moves - drag her back there to the spot - don't coax her back - she needs to be back on the spot straight away.
If something ever goes wrong in training and you are not progressing it is probably because the foundations are not secure, you need tk fm back tk the beginning.
From what I remember of the sit/stay you can also let the dog lie if its better in that position (they may have changed the rules since CJ and I did it though).
Also you don`t have to be far away, your still within sight of the dog and so can give her the flat palm up hand signal without speaking.
When CJ did his I was convinced he`d break, he was the clown of the class and regularly gave people a good laugh, he proved me wrong though, he lay good as gold, even when the dogs either side of him broke and proceeded to charge around the rest of them
From what I remember of the sit/stay you can also let the dog lie if its better in that position (they may have changed the rules since CJ and I did it though).
Also you don`t have to be far away, your still within sight of the dog and so can give her the flat palm up hand signal without speaking.
When CJ did his I was convinced he`d break, he was the clown of the class and regularly gave people a good laugh, he proved me wrong though, he lay good as gold, even when the dogs either side of him broke and proceeded to charge around the rest of them
I was told they have to stay in the position they put themselves in, so they cannot go from a sit to a down halfway through (Lola always does this but it doesnt matter for gundog training purposes).
We had a massive problem with this, she would break a sit every single time always to come to me, never to hooley about. She is now 15 months and finally doesn't break her stay at all (touches lots of wood). I completely stopped recall (she did that fine anyway) and always sat her and returned t her never called her from the stay position. Also if she moved at all I would get her without comment and put her back as near to exactly where she had come from. I would then do the stay for a shorter period so that she could have some praise for achieving the goal (even if it was for a shorter period than I wanted). I think part of it was my 'desperation' for her to stay that she sort of picked up on and somehow interpreted this as meaning she should come rather than leave me standing anxious
Currently she'll do it for a bribe (visible treat) and you need to move onto her doing it for a reward.
If she can only do it for 10 seconds with no treat on show then start at 5 and reward that, building up distance, distraction and duration until it's a solid known command
I ask her to wait with no treat in front of her 10 seconds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She cant do it without the treat
She can do it, but considers it not worth her while! Thats why I never use treats. My treat is my voice and my hands. My dogs get plenty of goodies, but they are treats pure and simple, not used in training.
With stays I am training for a reason from day one, so I can do a job of work without my dog. So I'm never still whilst my dog is staying, always moving. I also introduce stays out of sight early, in fact as early as 12 to 14 weeks old! It simply consists of walking around a tree, so not all of me is ever out of sight. This progresses to walking around a small bush so I'm out of sight for a split second, but the pup can still relate it to the tree. By six months old I'd expect my pup to remain in the stay for at least 5 minutes whilst i walk around a pheasant pen to check the electric fence.
I was told they have to stay in the position they put themselves in, so they cannot go from a sit to a down halfway through (Lola always does this but it doesnt matter for gundog training purposes).
Yes thats right, sorry I didn`t make myself clear, the dog has to be in the position you want before the time starts, CJ always did better lying than sitting
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