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 Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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I've seen plenty of dogs pulling like trains into their slip-leads, choking themselves half to death whilst they tug their owners behind them. I've seen other owners checking their dog, then it rushes forwards again, is checked again, rushes forwards again - over and over. It obviously thinks that the pain and discomfort of being checked is all part and parcel of a walk.
Putting a slip lead on your dog, by itself, is not going to 'cure' pulling on the lead. And, if it does 'cure' pulling on the lead for some dogs, this has been achieved through the use of pain and punishment. (Let's face it, that's what checking your dog is. If it wasn't, then it wouldn't work: There is only the carrot and the stick when training, and the carrot a slip lead isn't.)
Dogs pull because they want to go forwards. The reward on offer is the experience of new smells and forward progress towards ever-new things. If you stop walking every time the lead goes tight, your dog will learn that the 'reward' of forward progress stops when they pull. If you do this *consistently*, then your dog will learn not to pull (eventually - some dogs are more persistent than others).
With the jumping up, the best thing is to train a conflicting behaviour - something which it's not possible to do at the same time as jumping up, like sitting. Situations can be set up in class for a lot of new people to approach and greet a dog, waiting for the dog to 'guess' a sit in order to earn a treat. Pretty soon the dog is rushing up and sitting at the feet of any new person who comes along, in hope of a treat - without even being told to sit.
I'm an APDT dog trainer and only flat collars or harnesses are allowed in my classes (as in all APDT classes). Any reputable class should be able to help you achieve loose lead walking and curb jumping up without the use of harsh methods. I do use slip leads when working my own dogs, but only once they have been trained to walk well on a flat lead and collar. A slip lead is designed to 'slip' easily over the dog's head, so he can be released for retrieves easily. It is, in my opinion, not a training device.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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Jozie,
I think if you read the thread what is stressed is that no one lead will cure pulling and TRAINING is the key. Any trainer advising a new bit of kit needs to teach the owner how to use it properly and effectively.
I think you are mistaking slip leads for choke chains when you talk 'pain'. A properly used rope slip lead does not cause PAIN, a choke chain or half choke, *may*.
A slip lead is helpful in gundog training, as you say. few folks working towards gundog work ever use a collar and clip on lead and certainly not a harness. I'm suprised the APDT encourage the use of Harnesses to assist in training. I have always found them very counter productive, bulky and teach the dog to lean into them and pull.
BUT I agree totally.... ANYTHING you put round your dogs neck needs training in and proeferably with a trainer if things are not going quite 'to plan' 
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