This is the whole point Becs. I have a job even remembering where to collect my pension. If my dog cant remember where the birds are I'm in deep cleggy stuff!
In fact, a double marked retrieve is quite common in working tests.
This is the whole point Becs. I have a job even remembering where to collect my pension. If my dog cant remember where the birds are I'm in deep cleggy stuff!
So, with a double mark, would you line the dogs up to both dummies in turn in whatever order you want them retrieved, and send them out to both of them with 'back' rather than by name, treating them as blinds rather than marks, or would you just have the dog sat and facing the right way and sent by name as a mark? Or does it depend on the distance, or how different the directions of the dummies are to one another, or whether you are sure that your dog marked both dummies or not (or whether the handler can remember where the dummies are!)
I can remember something similar in the way of expressing distance, however I can't remember something similar for counting.
I can't explain the first part though as I'm too young and it has not been used since ages.
Becs,
It all depends on what the purpose of the exercise is, the distance between both marks, etc... F.e. a double mark, one behind you and one in front of you and the last mark needs to be retrieved first. I would just send the dog by name on the first one. Once back, line him up for the second one and send with a 'back' command. If the first one thrown is the first one to be retrieved I would line the dog up for both of them and use the 'back' command.
For me the difference between a mark and a memory is the action you take inbetween. If there is no action inbetween the fall and the retrieve (so dog is always focused on the dummy, you don't turn or walk or retrieve another dummy) I send a dog by name. If there is an action inbetween (whatever that may be) I line the dog up and send with a 'back' command.
This exercise works well with Finn but not with Coal as if they are 2 close he will try and bring both back
Sam, just to add Basil tried this the first time I put out 2 dummies close together....and I had started out with them wide gradually bringing them in.
It's not very gundoggy but I think you mentioned Coal was clicker trained?
What I did with Basil was put 2 other items out (not dummies, I think I just used 2 toys). I then ignored the attempt to retrieve both and used our nil reward word (for us it's 'try again') and then clicked when he brought only the one i'd asked for back.
I found the penny dropped instantly and i could then ditch the clicker and do the same exercise straight off with dummies.
I'm sure he just thought he was being clever/ helpful trying to bring both back
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So, with a double mark, would you line the dogs up to both dummies in turn in whatever order you want them retrieved, and send them out to both of them with 'back' rather than by name, treating them as blinds rather than marks, or would you just have the dog sat and facing the right way and sent by name as a mark? Or does it depend on the distance, or how different the directions of the dummies are to one another, or whether you are sure that your dog marked both dummies or not (or whether the handler can remember where the dummies are!)
