Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: Daft hypothetical question.
I've been thinking, which is a very dangerous thing for me to do .
I realise this is probably the most unlikely scenario in the world but I was wondering.......
If a full Show Bred Lab went on to become a FTCH, would this mean that it's offspring would be considered Show Bred or Working Bred? Ok I can see at this point the pups would probably still be considered a Show Bred but what if one of them went on to also become a FTCH, what would the offspring from that dog be classes as?
Can you see what I'm asking? How many generations does it take before Show Bred line becomes a Working line (or vice versa)?
Told you it was a daft hypothetical question, didn't I.
Now that to me would be a true Dual Purpose Champion!
With regards the progeny being show or working, it would depend on the pedigrees of both sire and dam... but if both were show-bred then it would remain a show-bred dog even if it also went on to become a FTCH... well thats my thinking and I'm sticking by it!
Jules your questions are never daft. its quite true. Initally I thought, like Rach, well its show bred... because its all about the PEDIGREE not the FUNCTION that dog fulfills which makes his 'label' so to speak... but yes.... how long must a line be working only before they are deemed a working line even if it has all show blood behind it?
Chances are, there IS no answer. Its how people VIEW a line that makes it what it is. And because in the last 50 years no dog that is all showbred has become a FT CH (or a dog who is all FT bred become a ring champion) so therefore noone has ever has HAD to 'morph' any lines in their head really from one to the other...
But I would wager that it would take at least a 5 generation pedigree with no show titles in it at all and plenty of working titles to morph a show line into a working one. At least. And even then the purists would probably feel it was still a 'closet show line'
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And because in the last 50 years no dog that is all showbred has become a FT CH
I think there has been at least one Di. FTCh Stratfieldsaye Calcot Crossbow (b 1970) was a pretty much show bred FTCh. From what I've read he got very little use at stud from either the working or show world.
Thanks for the replies folks.....very interesting.
They might not be daft questions Di, but I can come out with some rather random thoughts at times .
It's interesting that the dog Matt pointed out was so little used at stud...I wonder why that was? Do you think perhaps he fitted into neither mould, show or working?
I cant speak for the show people, but I'm fairly sure that if a virtually show bred dog was made up to FTCh today, I doubt many triallers would use it at stud. I'd expect that over and aboove any 'build' issues, people might be concerned that it would be far less likely to reproduce its working qualities in its offspring.
I cant speak for the show people, but I'm fairly sure that if a virtually show bred dog was made up to FTCh today, I doubt many triallers would use it at stud. I'd expect that over and aboove any 'build' issues, people might be concerned that it would be far less likely to reproduce its working qualities in its offspring.
Matt
I agree there Matt - it's quite a unique kind of person that would be looking for those creditials and I doubt it would be from the trialling side!
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