Di, I doubt (all) the Ch's of the past were regularly worketd but at least they had to have proof they could!
I think that people who then had interests in both fields continued to show to certain extent - and work as well.
But as the breed came more and more popular, was selling well and the ShCh option came available - so wasn't it quite 'natural' to aim for fame in a less demanding way: showing...
We all have our preferences, haven't we. To me it is quite pointless to debate how a labrador "should look" be it a show or a working dog as long as the breed is recognized.
Helen, I will need to do some research but actually I believe that infact its the other way round..... that before the SH Ch title was invented, dogs in the showring just made to CH straight away. They did not have to pass any sort of working certificate. And when the Sh CH title arrived, the Show Gundog Working certificate started getting off the ground, to allow dogs to become CH's....
They started to distinguish between SH CH's and CH's by WAY of the fact they had passed a SGWC.... It was not that before that ALL had to pass a working certificate to gain a showring title of CH, quite the opposite, no such thing existed....
Happy to be proved wrong but I believe it to be true and will look into it to be completely accurate.
Di
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Di, the back cover of "The Early Years, British Pre-War Labrador Retriever Bench Champions 1904-1940" says:
"This third book on Labrador Retriever Champions runs from 1904 (when the first Labrador entered the KC Stud Book) to 1940, when the last Champion was made up at the beginning of WWII, and covers all the bench champions in that period.
As there were no Show Champions until 1958, they all qualified in the field before they could gain their titles".
So, I still firmly believe in my theory how "the great divide" in the breed began.
In which case I entirely apologise and need to look further because I'd be very interested in what they had then to prove the dog in the field without a SGWC.... Possibly a WC of some sort... because I know for definate by no means all or possibbly many ring CH's had field trial awards or runs.... nor were working tests common at all.... and nothing like the Gundog Working Certificate existsed of course.... so a bit baffling.
This has opened me another new research interest and I thank you Helen.
Di
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THANK YOU
My book has arrived Alison winnsleywood, it was well packed in brand spanking new condition AND a very interesting book Thank You
The people were very different from today, proper country gentry shooting folk, not like the folk of today, i've been looking at this fit for function that the kc advertise, its certainly well shown in the book, i've visited some of the big shows and the winners in some of them are grotesque gert lumps that i'd be afraid would die of a hart attack if they where taken out like the dogs in the book. Perhaps your club should try to sell some books to judges. nearly the same for some of the handlers too.
ow nearly forgot thank you diana for drawing my attention to the book.
I'd be very interested in what they had then to prove the dog in the field without a SGWC....
Di, as far as I know there were more stakes in F/T's those days (for a dog to qualify) namely:
Non-Winners stake,
Puppy and Non-Winners stake,
Junior stake,
National stake,
Certifiate of Honour (not sure if it is still in use)
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