Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: Is this allowed?
Well following on from our first working test on Sunday, Chester ran in, not once, but twice! (oh the shame) Apart from the two 0's for running in, we scored 19 10 19 17.
The first run in was during the walk up (we were last, and he ran in on the 3rd dog) For the first two dogs, I positioned myself with my right leg in front, and hovered my hand over/infront of his head, so when he was 'ok' I thought I would try doing nothing for the 3rd dog, and off he went.
The second run in was on a double mark and blind. Shot fired at the left, dummy thrown in front, as soon as the judge said 'send your dog' he was off straight over to the shot (didn't mark the dummy in front of him).
So, besides me doing lots of steadyness training this week (next test on Sunday) I was wondering if keeping your hand out in front of the dog, and right leg forward was actually allowed? and if so would you lose marks for it? I did see plenty of people doing this, but have no idea if they lost marks for it.
I have to say Suzy if I had a dog that was running in I would not enter another test until I had sorted the problem out because the more times he does it without being corrected the harder it will be too stop.
So I would not be trying to do any of these things I would be getting him out in walk up situations as much as possible, allowing him to run in and correcting him for it and I would respectfully suggest that this cannot be done in a week.
Anything else is just plastering over the cracks and will come back to haunt you later on in his test career.
Suzy can you come to Guildford tonight. I don't know who is training tonight, but one of the trainers that takes the novice class always does some walk ups.
I agree with what you have said, but he is (was) a very steady dog, and I believe ran in due to the excitment of the day
I understand that those people (including me) who were seen to be anticipating a run in with their positioning of hands and legs is not really the answer.. but is it allowed?
I hear what you say about not bothering with another test until its been sorted, but have been bitten by the bug now Jill! and can't wait for the next one!
I honestly, and maybe naively thought running in would never be a problem as hasn't been in the past, as he was so steady, but a walk up situation with more than one other dog is not something I can arrange easily
Edited to add:
Jenny, yes am able to, but I haven't heard back yet from the club. Could only send an email as no numbers.
I’d have to agree with Jill on this one. I’d guess at the moment your dog may well be making honest mistakes as I believe that he’s not really used to working with other dogs and handlers. However once they figure out that this is something they can get away with, you will have an increasingly difficult job trying to fix it. Learning to work alongside other dogs, handlers, and judges is quite an integral part of the training process for a competition dog.
The actions you describe are not something I’ve seen done in either novice or puppy tests, but I haven’t been to a NDNH so can’t comment on those. In the spirit of a NDNH I would be inclined to tolerate it if judging, but it would put me off that dog getting into the awards. Interestingly the J regs (the rules governing the running and judging of field trials and WTs) specify that a retriever must be steady but doesn’t specify what steady looks like. However I would expect that the consensus of judges opinion would be that the dog does not require additional commands or signals.
Suzy if you wanted to practise on thursday or friday evening this week perhaps we could arrange something? And SEGS are training on Saturday. I won't be taking Oak on saturday as he is having a restful week after all his hard work at the weekend, but would be happy to bring him out locally for a short spell one evening after work, if that fitted in with any of your plans?
Yes, his mistakes were honest ones, as he has only trained with other dogs a handful of times (I could count them on 1 hand!)
We are very new to this (tests/working with others) as you both know (training alone up until recently), so have only just (a few weeks ago) joined up with a few clubs, and our first training session with one of the clubs isn't until Saturday.
Am also now joining Guildford gundog club, and will be going along this evening.
I am hoping his running in remains a one off, but I will see how he goes this evening, and again on Saturday, and if he shows any signs again, I will withdraw from Sundays test, as amongst the reasons you have given, I was mortified for the other handler in the walk up. Not something I want to do again thats for sure.
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(oh the shame) Apart from the two 0's for running in, we scored 19 10 19 17.
No offence taken Jill 
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