I had vowed that after some of the comments on this thread, I would stay out the "old" debate, but Rach your comment below has me baffled.
"there are show dogs in the ring in hard, fit condition... I didn't say that these show dogs were able to work at that weight just that they were in fit condition."
If a dog is not able to work at that weight, how can it be in fit condition?
I have said privately to Alison, and I hope she does n't mind me saying it publicly now, that I think it is a very sad reflection on the standard of show world in general, and Labradors in particular, that she feels unable to take Charlie into the ring at Crufts, to receive his award in the condition he finished the working season in.
I would imagine he would be in the best physical condition he has ever been in, having spent a season doing what this breed is meant to do, and yet that it is not considered appropriate condition for a Labrador to be shown in.
That can't be right, and nothing or no-one will convince me it is. That really is it for me, I'm not saying another word on this subject, ever!!!!
As Andrew broke, I'll add a few more lines (grin):
The ring will demand what the ring will demand until the judges keep a more open or possibly knowledgeable mind to what 'hard fit condition' really is. It is a waste of the enormous amount of money it takes in this day and age to seriously show a dog, to take one in honest to god hard working condition in the ring. I'm not saying that is right its just how it is. You could waste a huge amount of money trying to 'make a point' by taking a dog with little 'substance' to championship shows at the moment. This may change in the future with the continued improvements in the connections between the show and working world.
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I haven't got involved in this thread at all but I would just add that it is not just labradors it is in other breeds as well. My experience as I have said before was with Weimaraners which you can happily show up to and including the Junior Class (so able to get a Junior Warrant) but you cannot go any further if you want to work your dog seriously.
My experience of this was a good ten years ago now so nothing changes .
Hi I have only just seen this thread being stuck at home with a badly broken arm Andrew i think Charlie is fantastic excactly what i look for in a lab. Other than on the shoots i work my dogs on, the labs i see around out of show dog type are at least twice the weight they should be, not given a chance to use their brains.These same people have openly said to me that my two are underfed i understand everyone has the right of their own choice but do believe that dogs should have some useful purpose however small . Can i just ask what kind of temprement has Charlie got Ann
I had vowed that after some of the comments on this thread, I would stay out the "old" debate, but Rach your comment below has me baffled.
"there are show dogs in the ring in hard, fit condition... I didn't say that these show dogs were able to work at that weight just that they were in fit condition."
If a dog is not able to work at that weight, how can it be in fit condition?
I have said privately to Alison, and I hope she does n't mind me saying it publicly now, that I think it is a very sad reflection on the standard of show world in general, and Labradors in particular, that she feels unable to take Charlie into the ring at Crufts, to receive his award in the condition he finished the working season in.
I would imagine he would be in the best physical condition he has ever been in, having spent a season doing what this breed is meant to do, and yet that it is not considered appropriate condition for a Labrador to be shown in.
That can't be right, and nothing or no-one will convince me it is. That really is it for me, I'm not saying another word on this subject, ever!!!!
Andrew
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"I'm not saying another word on this subject, ever!!!!" - PMSL
I haven't got involved in this thread at all but I would just add that it is not just labradors it is in other breeds as well. My experience as I have said before was with Weimaraners which you can happily show up to and including the Junior Class (so able to get a Junior Warrant) but you cannot go any further if you want to work your dog seriously.
My experience of this was a good ten years ago now so nothing changes .
That’s an interesting observation. I’ve only been to one serious dog show, where a friend was showing their GSHP. The Labs were nothing like what I am used to seeing, all very big. The HPR breeds did look more inline with being working dogs, albeit to my untrained eye.
Didn’t I read on here or somewhere else that there is a top HPR show dog that competed at Crufts and also has proper field awards?
Yes John I think it was a Wirehaired but I'm not sure, but it certainly could not happen in the Weimaraner ring, not that many of them work {properly} anymore, but that's another whole long story!
Yes that will be Sharon's CH FREDDY VOM KAPELLENHOF AT BAREVE - he is a super dog from any angle
Ettinsmoor wrote:
Yes John I think it was a Wirehaired but I'm not sure, but it certainly could not happen in the Weimaraner ring, not that many of them work {properly} anymore, but that's another whole long story!
Thanks for that, I didn’t dream it.
Well I’m going to sign off of this one on that note! Food for thought though isn’t it?
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