Need ideas/thoughts - Disgraceful behaviour

Diana · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:26 am Post subject:

Just had a long chat with the litter owners, Sue. Your thoughts got me thinking too.

Unbelieveably, another two 'checking points' were bypassed through no fault of their own.

When the bitch went for xraying, they glanced at the Kc document, but took the owners name and address for the top of the certificate from their computer record for her owner. Of course this *should* have been taken from the Kc document and again it would have been a time when question marks could have been raised but weren't.

Then at the eye testing group clinic, the photocopy was rubberstamped for definate by the eye specialist as she has just read out to me what the little stamped box says and its 100% correct, and the owner name and address details were taken by the person doing the writing from her hip score sheet! No questions, no eyebrows raised, nothing to make them think a thing!

It sounds incredable, but its true. Yet another two checking points passed without a hair raised.

Also amazingly apparently she was xrayed and scored and there was a delay in her scores coming back and then the KC returned the original certificate to her vet because there had been an error in the bitches date of birth when they checked it against her record, but they NEVER picked up on there being this huge error in owners name and address!

The owners read the whole thread last night and are hugely hugely grateful and touched by the responses and ideas and help. Really really touched. Thank you everyone.... I will keep you posted...now....

Off to the game fair!!!! Wink

Di

sue51 · Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:04 am Post subject:

While I am not a big fan of encouraging sung breeders, as the last thing we need in today's society is those trying to do their best for the breed getting caught in the fallout - but that said

I do think we desperately need some test cases to determine which way these things would go - my gut feeling from my knowledge of contract law and the SOGA is that in both the recent instances, the breeder wouldn't have a leg to stand on - the laws clearly state that

"The seller has the superior knowledge"

and therefore the onus is on them to do things straight down the line.

When I think of all the time and effort that went into raising endorsement contracts / explaining everything in detail to the new owners by me and I know many other breeders - how on earth do these people get away with it ? Twisted Evil

I picked two of mine up with no KC paperwork, and I have to say, it never occured to me that they wouldn't arrive (which they did in both instances) - but knowing my sister was 'caught out' with her first Goldie - maybe I should have been more cautious - thankfully he lived to a ripe old age - but this is what puppy mush brain does - and I guess it can be difficult for the buyer to be more objective - I guess if you are looking for show / know you intend to breed at the outset, this can give you more focus and awareness of what is going on at the point of sale Sad

Diana · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:48 am Post subject:

Very true Sue and I'm interested and pleased that the law leans towards the seller having superior knowledge. Thats very comforting in some ways, not just in this case but to protect buyers to a certain degree.

I know now certainly whilst as a stud dog owner we have to be even MORE stringent about our checks on the bitches visiting for mating's documents (can't phrase that right!)

I would usually look carefully at the health certificates and the pedigree. After being aware of a few cases of endorsements not being understood I now want to see if there are any endorsements on there, but in future in addition you can be sure I will be looking much harder at the KC registration form 'just in case' for the sake of the bitch owners who might not realise something is amiss. I will also be catagorically asking, if they did not breed the bitch themselves, that they DO have her transferred into their ownership at the Kennel Club.

Minefield these days eh?

Di

sue51 · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:58 am Post subject:

sasha1999 · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:09 am Post subject: KC DOCS

direct action go to house kick door in grab owner by throat hold and sqeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzze . until she gives you the correct paper work .

no nonsence.

Diana · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:18 am Post subject:

Its tempting believe me Wink

Long runs the fox, as we say here.

Di

Em_n_Bailey · Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:49 pm Post subject:

Just read through the whole thread and am disgusted at these people.....how can they just play around with little lives like that Evil or Very Mad

I have found through my one experience of the kennel club that they have not got the best organisation skills to say the least

I read that the owners have written to the kennel club and I believe that this is the best thing.....people seem to take things in writing more seriously I have found Wink

Really really hope that the KC see sense and offer to change ownership......if the answer they get is 'no' then I would suggest trying again.....another member of staff may see it differently Wink

Can't imagine how the owners must feel......it is just cruel Evil or Very Mad

Diana · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:23 am Post subject:

Just as an update someone with better eyes than me has found that this disgraceful woman is a KC Accredited breeder! Therefore we should have a bit more power to the elbow in demanding something done by the Kc or at least blotting her copybook with them...

Di

Topseyt · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:26 am Post subject:

I hope the KC strike her off their Accredited Breeder list, at the very least. Evil or Very Mad

She is the sort who would also get them a bad name if she remains there. Evil or Very Mad

Helen.

Ju_M · Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:57 am Post subject:

Di,

I was thinking about this the other night, and talking to my OH (who is a trainee lawyer, abeit not one that does anything with dogs) about it.

Did the endorsements refer to her as the owner?

As in "endorsements will be lifted upon the owner undertaking health testing".... type of thing?

Apparently (altho i can't remeber why now, we were discussing it over a bottle of wine!! Embarassed

) that would carry some weight. Something to do with officially being percieved as the owner by the breeder.... or something like that

Just a thought...