In addition, something that has only sprung to mind whilst typing this is that when the bitch came for mating (and visited beforehand) I saw her hip and eye certificates first hand - originals.
I am still really quite perplexed at this Di - because it is against KC BVA regulations to even give the eye test results for KC registered dogs without the specialist seeing and stamping the original paperwork.
The reason for bringing the ruling in as I understand it, was some 'less scrupulous' individuals were taking dogs for testing without KC paperwork. Some dogs were failing the test, the owners were told, and the official paperwork never submitted for stamping accordingly and submitting to the KC.
I had Clover's eyes done in March with the rest of the gang - but for various reasons have been really slow getting a copy of her KC paperwork, hence, I still don't know the results of her eye-tests - not a major problem for me, and one about to be corrected - but I am a little surprised if this is the case how paperwork was available for the bitch
[quote="sue51because it is against KC BVA regulations to even give the eye test results for KC registered dogs without the specialist seeing and stamping the original paperwork.
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Blimey thats right Sue - never even thought of that - very good point though
because it is against KC BVA regulations to even give the eye test results for KC registered dogs without the specialist seeing and stamping the original paperwork.
Unless I'm missing something it strikes me that the real issue here is the KC being so hindbound by its rules and regulations. Clearly the dog has been sold, and ownership in the eyes of the law, if not the obtuse eyes at Clarges Street, cannot possibly in any doubt at all. The issue is whether the pups from this bitch can have the cachet of KC registration?
Whilst I think the original breeders have acted like total gits in this instance, its strikes me that the KC also has a duty of care not to allow its rules/regs and processes to be manipulated by the unscrupulous. I would have thought a stern letter to the KC might yet get them to either act sensibly or at least exert some pressure on the orignial breeders to play the game or face sanctions around registering any of their own future progeny.
Having the KC Registration documents in your name doesn't necesarily mean you are the legal owner of the dog... that may be the reason that the KC didn't say anything when the eye test & hip score results were sent through.
Other than taking legal action I'm not sure what else can be done. I doubt the police would get involved because it's to do with dogs (they never seem to want to get involved with anything to do with dogs!) but it's probably worth a phone call to find out.
I hope they get it sorted - they must be worried sick with all of this.
may be the reason that the KC didn't say anything when the eye test & hip score results were sent through.
Thats my point - I don't see how the eye test results did get through without the KC paperwork by rights - without it, the owner should never have had the results - and I am surprised they didn't question it at the time
" I still don't know the results of her eye-tests - not a major problem for me, and one about to be corrected - but I am a little surprised if this is the case how paperwork was available for the bitch "
You mean the little rectangular box put on the KC reg form each time you have an eye test with the date of test? Yes that is indeed there on the colour photocopy. Hence the eye specialist not turning it over and seeing no back to it, nor double checking that the owner on the eye certificate was the same as the owner on that KC reg document....
At no point in this process has anyone alerted the owner to the fact that her name needs to be at the top. Or believe me they would have looked into it and done it.
So the point where the eye specialist could have picked up (which I hadn't thought of either thank you!) it wasn't picked up and just rubber stamped through. AND at the KC's end, ditto. They never stood a chance!
Di
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´Sometimes the hardest thing, and the right thing, are the same...'
So the point where the eye specialist could have picked up (which I hadn't thought of either thank you!) it wasn't picked up and just rubber stamped through. AND at the KC's end, ditto. They never stood a chance!
As I said, if I hadn't been personally affected by it, it probably wouldn't have occured to me either I had copies and proof of Clover's status - but I have nothing to even say she has been eye tested other than a receipt.
I am pretty sure (will have to dig the paperwork out) that our eye tester wouldn' t even put our new address on Hally's test sheet because the paperwork showed our hold one - as a KC affix holder, all the details have been changed with the KC - but I didn't get a new cert for her.
A colour photocopy (I'm guessing the colour photocopies were of sufficient quality that the vet was not alerted to the fact that it was a photocopy either) - that really does sound like deliberate deception - especially if the boys in the litter had original documents and were able to change ownership.
I'm no legal expert, but I would definately push for the KC to consider this an 'exceptional circumstance' - especially since they have unwittingly carried on with it by not pointing out the different ownership when tests were done.
Are the pups going to pet homes? I'm just wondering whether (if they don't get anywhere with the kc) they could sue the breeder in the small claims court !?! it may be more affordable.
These breeders need to be named and shamed I know you can't do it on LF, but there must be another way to.[/b]
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this is disgusting i think they should name and shame the people invilved it makes me so mad 
