Are you using two chocolate parents who both carry yellow Sue? (I have done so myself so not judging just asking - you know how one feels one should put a disclaimer when asking anything - don't want it to seem a loaded question - grin!)
If they don't you won't produce any dodgy pigment, and even if you ARE then you only have a small chance and compared to the quality of the dogs you will produce - who cares to be honest? Pet folks tend to fall in love with the pups with non pigment first, honestly.... I know maybe you are thinking if you happened to have the bad luck for the absence of pigment to be on the pick puppy? Well, you'd have to have the luck of someone who has no luck at all for that to happen and you have nothing else to consider in the litter as good...
Just edited to say, that maybe to make you feel more confident, my Dylan carried yellow. He was mated through the years to, I don;t know, maybe 120 chocolate bitches?? I don't recall hardly any cases of an absense of pigment in many of his litters... maybe one or two... but in that many girls you would think there should be a LOT more, and wasn;t...
Good luck anyway, waffling as usual
Di
____________ ´...exactly which part of ´WOOF´ do you not understand???..."
Di
Are you using two chocolate parents who both carry yellow Sue?
No - not at the moment, Hally MIGHT carry yellow, but I am 99% certain the stud dog doesn't.
However, I am, at some time in the future, seriously considering dropping a "yellow carrying chocolate" dog into my chocolate line (providing the bitch doesn't carry yellow) - time, health scores etc etc will tell
Thanks for the reassurance though - I guess I am at the mercy of the many years of perceived misgivings about choc/choc and choc/yellow matings, and have to have the courage of my convictions to follow my own path, while recognising that things may not go to plan - but this could happen just as easily with two blacks or any other colour combination (no guarantees when dealing with nature )
You'll walk your own path and successfully, Sue.....
Its a bit breezy sometimes when you walk against the wind from time to time, but when you get there the view is better (or so they say - I've not got there yet and sometimes wonder where 'there' is but I know its where I want to visit!)
The other thing is, sometimes you can produce a litter and something ELSE messes up why your pick puppy can't stay - big white splodge on chest, turns out to be a Carrier when you only wanted to keep a Clear, is a poor eater that you know you will struggle with every day.... you know... loads of things....
I know its a stupid question but would colour testing Hally help you have a clearer view?
Di
____________ ´...exactly which part of ´WOOF´ do you not understand???..."
Di
is a poor eater that you know you will struggle with every day....
you've obviously been reading some of my other threads - this is the exact problem I had with Hope she is starting to catch up now thanks to very effective malted kelp tablets, but it has been a nightmare time - not helped when your usual vet nurse is on holiday, and the stand in tells you she is FAT hopefully anyone who has seen her will back me up and confirm she is far from it
The general consensus is however that she will be a good 4 or even 5 before we start to see the 'real' Hope and (subject to health checks) I have a nice young man lined up who should ensure considerably more substance in the next generation.
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I know its a stupid question but would colour testing Hally help you have a clearer view?
Not a stupid question at all, and yes, even though it is not likely to be a problem for her - it is important she is tested so we know what the options / likelihood is for her babies - easier to test the top of the tree and take it from there
I did go on one of the sites and order a test - but you have to ring them to get the kit - and I have to confess to having been incredibly slack at remembering to do this
But surely any lack of pigment in choc pups will be due to the fact that the chocolate parent had a lack of pigment? There are plenty of chocs out there with no yellow in their pedigree with light eyes, eye rims and pale noses
For example, a dudley puppy is basically a chocolate dog in all but colour, whereas there is no similar thing in chocolates. Chocolates from yellow/choc matings are quite unusual anyway - most people who try this in the hope of getting more saleable choc pups are usually very surprised to get all blacks
A quick flick through the BRS will show just how many 'odd' colour combinations there are and there aren't really that many litters where both yellow and chocolate occur; in general it tends to be the dudleys cropping up in a litter from two chocs or a byc/byc mating producing all three colours.
Chocolates from yellow/choc matings are quite unusual anyway - most people who try this in the hope of getting more saleable choc pups are usually very surprised to get all blacks
Depends whether the parents are colour gene tested or not - if the yellow parent carries chocolate and the chocolate parent deson't carry yellow - then the litter will be all chocolate
If the yellow parent doesn't carry choc, and the choc parent doesn't carry yellow, then the litter will be all black.
Likewise when people get a rainbow litter not realising that both parents carry chocolate.
One of the most prolific studs of current times, Old Smokey carries chocolate (sorry, slight deviation from OT)
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(no guarantees when dealing with nature 
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hopefully anyone who has seen her will back me up and confirm she is far from it 
