Labrador Health Survey - HD & OCD

FRE · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:08 pm Post subject:

This may be the wrong place to post this, but I'm hoping you will see it Jules and JohnW.

Since starting on the Cartrophen injections last week, BJ has been sick several times. Until yesterday when he had the 2nd one I thought it was just him having one of his usual bouts of sickness, having possibly eaten something iffy whilst out on a walk.

However he was sick twice yesterday afternoon (jab at 9.30) and has spent a lot of time today eating grass and then being sick, 3 times today so far.

Do either of you know if there is anything in the ingredients of the injections that could cause this, or is it just coincidence?

Very grateful for any ideas. Thanks

JohnW · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:13 pm Post subject:

Hang on a mo Fay, just having tea then I'll see what I can find about it.

Regards, John

FRE · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject:

Thank you John. As its Friday (POETS day) I'm having a glass of wine rather than tea, though it is quite early Confused

JohnW · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:56 pm Post subject:

Well, the sun's over the yard-arm Fay, or would be if it was not pouring with rain! Sad

_Jules_ · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject:

Fay,
I've been having a Google round and it would appear that in rare cases Carprophen can cause vomitting and "inappetance" for about 24-48 hours after the jab. It is recommended that you inform your vet if your dog does have this reaction.

It would appear that Carprophen has far less side effects than NSAID's but I suppose like all drugs, there will always be some dogs that are more sensitive than others and it looks as if your lad maybe one of them.

JohnW · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject:

Right Fay, I’m back! Consulted Noah and here is what he says. (Before you read it, in case you don’t know, (and I didn’t!!) emesis is Vomiting)

Regards, John

Dosage and administration
Dosage
3 mg Pentosan Polysulphate Sodium/kg bodyweight on four occasions, with an interval of 5–7 days.
Administration
By aseptic subcutaneous injection only of 0.3 ml Cartrophen Vet/10 kg bodyweight. For accurate dosing use must be made of an insulin-type syringe.

Contra-indications, warnings, etc
Cartrophen Vet is contra-indicated for the treatment of septic arthritis. In this case, appropriate antimicrobial therapy should be instigated.
Cartrophen Vet has an effect on blood coagulation due to its fibrinolytic activity that lasts for up to 6–8 hours after administration. This is of no clinical significance in the normal dog.
Do not use in dogs with uncontrolled bleeding, trauma, infection, advanced liver or kidney impairment and cancer, especially haemangiosarcoma. It has been reported that a dog which had suffered pulmonary lacerations twelve months previously had severe pulmonary bleeding after an injection of Cartrophen Vet. Use with caution in dogs with a history of pulmonary lacerations.
Rarely, reaction to the injection may occur within 24 hours in an apparently healthy animal. In these circumstances treatment should be discontinued and symptomatic relief given. Because of the fibrinolytic action of Cartrophen Vet, the possibility of internal bleeding from a tumour or vascular abnormality should be considered and appropriate therapeutic action taken. It is recommended that the PCV and capillary filling time should be monitored.
NSAIDs and in particular aspirin should not be used in combination with Cartrophen Vet as they may affect thrombocyte adhesion and potentiate the anticoagulant activity of Cartrophen Vet. Corticosteroids have been shown to be antagonistic to a number of actions of Cartrophen Vet. Furthermore, use of anti-inflammatory drugs may result in a premature increase in the dog's activity which may interfere with the disease-modifying activity of Cartrophen Vet.
Do not use concurrently with steroids or non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, including aspirin and phenylbutazone, or within 24 hours of such administration.
Occasional emesis may occur following injection.

FRE · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject:

Right. Many thanks John and Jules, this is very useful.

BJ has always been very sensitive to all sorts of things, and had an appalling reaction to Rimadyl, and other drugs on various ocassions. He is showing signs of discomfort now, so in light of what you say, I'll contact the vet and explain what has happened.

Hells bells ......... where would we be without LF.

Very many thanks again both.

Lulalu · Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject:

Some of the puppy foods are very misleading also...

My new pup (9wks) is currently on Beta Puppy but i'm looking about for a decent adult food to move her onto. At the moment possibly Beta adult since, before their website started mucking about, I checked the 'back of the bag' and it looked to be about 24% protein.

My first thought though was that Beta Puppy -Large Breed would be ideal, since as it is presumably designed for slower growth the protein would be lower, and there may be less elevated levels of Ca & P. However when I actually checked the bag there appears to be no difference in the protein/Ca/P levels of ordinary puppy food and adult - not sure what the point of the large breed version is then?

Does anyone have any strong feelings about Burns mini-bites?

I know the old-fashioned way was very popular - but can anyone tell me what the typical analysis of the 'old' diet was?

Perhaps I can also suggest that the 'big/serious' breeders have their part to play, since many years ago I bought a very nice puppy from a 'pro' breeder and was horrified that they were advising a regime to produce a nice 'show condition' (fat - lets be honest!) puppy, even at 3 months old. This might be acceptable in a kenneled pup, but for one coming into a family home where exercise is more difficult to regulate it is just asking for trouble imho....