Trouble is, people expect immediate obedience with no effort put into it. Realistically you are not going to get this and people want to go down the no effort route then a stuffed facsimile of a dog would be the best buy. Electric shock methods are not the way to go for training a dog “Standard” exercises. All these things use “Nice” words like Stimulation to make the unknowing think it’s nice, it fact people will tell you how it “Only tickles”
The KC tried to outlaw electric collars, but received little or no cooperation from the government and the bill is I believe now dead in the water. Business bringing pressure to bear I wonder? These companies must be selling them or they would not be making them. So sadly there is a market.
But is it really a good thing to ban electric collars? Or is there a better way? Make no mistakes, Electric collars can save lives! Imagine for example a dog stock worrying Farmers can and do shoot to kill. Because a collar means that you can apply the correction from a distance it’s possible to deter a dog where other means would not. Trouble is, anyone can buy a collar and without bothering to read the scant instructions, stick it on the dog, wind the setting up to the maximum and zap away. This is simply abuse of the dog and nothing more. Anyone using a collar should first have to undergo training and be supervised by a competent instructor.
Is that ever likely to happen? Sadly I doubt it. Are collars ever likely to be banned? I doubt that either. If it was ever going to happen then the Animal Welfare Bill would have been the ideal time. But lets face it, the government found it easier to kick pet owners that businesses.
Electric shock to teach to sit?? Come on I'm sure most of us had our pups sitting the first night we had them home, armed only with a handful of smelly treats!!!
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yes there was a piece in dog world this week Fred.
The problem is that as John says, in experienced, capable, thoughtful hands with a dog otherwise with a problem that cannot be curbed by extensive professional training they may have a place. But if this bunch above fight to continue the sale to THOSE folks, they cannot specify who buys them, what path they have trod before buying the device, what has been tried and with who.
So its a case of either everyone can buy them or noone can and its when EVERYONE can buy them that its terrifying and utterly destructive and negative.
To be fair, I've seen them abused in the hands of experienced trainers too who have hit fustration point with a dog.... and I say that sadly.
Di
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I've seen them abused in the hands of experienced trainers
Me too Di. And if you are taking dogs in for training, and one gets a bit slow learning the temptation is to stick the collar on to try to short cut things a bit. So the possibilities for abuse are there.
I hate the things, but have to admit that there are, very occasionally, valid uses. Let's face it Di, we go to great lengths to proof our dogs around livestock from an early age, so hopefully we would be unlikely to ever need a collar for that kind of job. Far more likely is the pet dog who is only around livestock on rare occasions, and almost certainly they would have no idea of the correct use one.
As I said before, I've seen them used on dogs with such severe fear aggression problems (as well as the live stock issue a couple of times), where it has helped as part of a course of treatment. But if it had to be a decision to either have them available so that competent people could use them along with them being available to pet owners then I have to say I'd rather not see them used at all, which is a shame, as this might mean some dogs having to be put to sleep if they were banned.
I can specifically think of one dog now, a lovely GSD rescue who would have been put to sleep without having had a shock collar as part of his rehabilitation training. But as I also said before, I'm kind of on the fence, as dogs with fear aggression problems that severe need the proper handler, so its a difficult one with a huge grey area.
This is so disgusting, I can't believe people would use something
like this it makes me so angry that these wonderful animals could
be treated like this.
" Far more likely is the pet dog who is only around livestock on rare occasions, and almost certainly they would have no idea of the correct use one. "
And I think thats the condumdrum of them. That those who most often might use them are the ones that absolutely shouldn't as they wouldn't have a clue how to properly and sympathetically.
Bloody things, they are so widely used in the United States in some areas including very basic gundog training with newbies and so on that they are almost like slipping a slip lead on here. With more and more variety of them making our market with the terminology used so carefully phrased to appeal to the pet owner, they worry me intensely.
Di
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I'm sure most of us had our pups sitting the first night we had them home, armed only with a handful of smelly treats!!!
