Yes there are many if's and buts, more than we could ever imagine I am sure, I agree with the others who have said it's a trust thing, good honest breeders would never think of doing such a thing as reputation is much more important to them, these kind of practices are mainly down to puppy farmers, so I would stick to breeders who have hip scored, eye tested etc etc and trust the gut instinct.
If there is money to be made some people will do anything........even if that is messing with little lives
It's never something that I thought of when we got Bailey......I was happy that I found a pup with health tested parents, but after becoming a member of this fab site I think I would do things slightly differently next time.
oohh I tooo think this happens lots and lots - and John 'phantom puppy' please tell .........
I often wonder if Ruby is the same pup that we chose at 3 weeks old - she is definitely the one from 5 weeks old as her sis (and only other girl) was really chunkier by then but who knows eh.
This is exactly the reason why I have waited (and continue to wait) for my dally pup as I trust the breeder implicitely and we have built up a realtionship over a year or so. We (touching all wood available) have been very very very lucky with Ruby as we did everything wrong when we bought her (pre LF) and she couldnt have turned out better BUT I wouldnt have wanted to tempt fate again.
I agree that by the sounds of it, it is purely down to trust. That's fine when it is a breeder you know or know of, but in reality I guess most of us only get to meet the breeders a handful of times so realistically how much trust can you build up in that time?
Sorry, I hope I haven't started a dodgy thread, I was genuninely interested in whether this was possible or whether the KC have something in place to stop this (like a photo of the litter of newborns!). Maybe I've just got a suspicious mind, but I think that if someone is capable of carrying this out then their minds must be more corrupt than the rest of us!
Leo was not KC registered when we got him. I was talking to someone I know of not long after we had Leo, and this chap suggested to me that he knows lots of people with Lab litters and he could easily get Leo registered for me, no problem! Obviously I told him where to go but this chap didn't see anything wrong with it, and implied it is quite the "norm" for things like this to go on.
Fraud is perfectly possibly in any sale, puppies, cars, kittens, loaves of bread.... its going to happen, its just a case of doing the best you possibly can and going the most legitimate route you can. I would say there is less fraud of this nature now BECAUSE of the possibility of DNA tests and much more genetic knowledge out there than ever before (for example - you could quite happily register puppies of a colour, to two parents that their own colours could NOT produce) but it is moving on a little now.
Unregistered litters are always going to be fraught with pitfalls.
This is why its SO important to see the litter WITH mum even if they are 5, 6 or more weeks old and well under way weaning. You need to see her interact with them. Strange puppies dumped in at 6 weeks of age or so will create a different reaction in her, especially in the first few days, she will quite possibly see them off her pups and almost certainly her milk bar which they will still be sneeking a grab at....
Its just a small thing but it would seek to chink a bit of light on this.
I don't think, in any kind of quality breeder it happens very often. Noone in their right minds would bring strange puppies in to unvaccinated puppies because you could end up losing the LOT!
Di
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Strange puppies dumped in at 6 weeks of age or so will create a different reaction in her,
Di
I know what you mean, but I wean my puppies at 4 weeks and by week 6 they don't live with their mum anymore. This I do for several reasons and I know several other people prefer to wean their pups at that time as well.
I don't think it's always a question about the breeder 'slipping' in an extra pup but more a case of someone picks a pup WITH all the paperwork but it's just not the right KC papers for the pup I know of one person who went to have a look at a pup - it had all the right paperwork, parents had been health checked - it was just that when he went there, he found 3 different litters in the same big barn with run all mixed. He was told that he could pick a pup and then he could pick whatever KC papers he would like as well
Who mentioned accepting 'clear by parentage' ? hmmmm..
" I know what you mean, but I wean my puppies at 4 weeks and by week 6 they don't live with their mum anymore. This I do for several reasons and I know several other people prefer to wean their pups at that time as well. "
..... Oh yes I think we have crossed wires. I too, as does everyone I would think start weaning between 3 and 4 weeks... and by 6 weeks the pups are entirely dependent on me for food and mum does not sleep with them, I meant more when they are out in the garden or in the run and mum is popping in and out to play and chat with them, and they are having a bit of a feed at her milk bar...
Or from weaning starts are yours entirely seperate from mum and don't interact with her daily again?
Mine mix with all my dogs from 4 weeks outside....
So if stoodge puppies were brought in, mum would not relax with them and allow them to grab a sneeky drink and stuff like she would her own...
I didn't mean it to be a foolproof way of distinguishing if someone was pulling a fast one, just one sign you can check for, does mum appear to know these pups when interacting...
Di
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You're right, Di, crossed wires my apologies!!! The little 'monsters' do interact with their mum after they have been weaned and they do their best to wrestle the other dogs, too
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I know of one person who went to have a look at a pup - it had all the right paperwork, parents had been health checked - it was just that when he went there, he found 3 different litters in the same big barn with run all mixed. He was told that he could pick a pup and then he could pick whatever KC papers he would like as well 
